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Where we safely predicted that once the digging started, it wouldn’t soon stop. As Will Rogers used to say: “To get out of a hole? Stop digging”. Except we are not in charge of the dredging and the muck-raking here.

We are more in the business of starting rumors (!) than in deflecting them. That is - to be more precise - we report and amplify and relate our experience to rumors. So when someone else gets the rumor mill revved up, we have to actually do research and report back. Last week?

1) Urban Meyer bought a house in Columbus and is readying himself to be the next OSU football coach.
2) Gene Smith is resigning due to “the scandal”.
3) Jim Tressel is feeling so much pressure from the alumni that he will be forced out.

As you might recall, we began publishing our now-daily Boarding House feature with the loose description of an explosion at the boarding house: “Rumors are flying”. (Did anyone ever really get that joke? It is from that Vaudeville Era, as am I – at least in spirit…).

Now, we are forced to think through these latest mutations, or should I say – permutations – of an incident a year ago when Coach Tressel failed to forward on a speculative e-mail. We dutifully responded to these specious attempts that it is more likely the Urban Myth applies to Penn State than to Ohio State. Gene Smith is in charge of NCAA basketball pairings right now and is probably otherwise occupied. And there is a greater probability that the alumni will come out in full support of Tressel rather than in opposition to him.

Other than that? Well, we all make mistakes, right?

As a prime example, JT and I share mistakes in common including admitting to at least a mistake in judgment, as we have both been divorced. And both of us, seemingly, found happiness after admitting that mistake and moving on. Happiness. Mine is pronounced. His is presumed.

Some people insist Urban Meyer has a house in Columbus.

But is seems that Buckeye Nation can’t move on. That we are waiting for the inevitable demise to be announced. As if the NCAA Huns will come together and smash us, then scatter us to the winds. Since that is going to happen anyway, well – why not just give up now?

As CP Cavafy intones in “Expecting the Barbarians”:

“Why don’t the worthy orators come as usual
To make their speeches, to have their say?
Because the barbarians are to arrive today”

And as it was pointed out by Mark Helprin in “Digital Barbarism”, in the poem, the barbarians do not arrive, and the people, who have already surrendered, are regretful that they don’t!

Steve Helwagen pointed out, when this saga broke that: “People have lumped Tressel in with a pair of basketball coaches, Tennessee’s Bruce Pearl and Connecticut’s Jim Calhoun, who it seems were less than truthful in dealings with the NCAA. There is a difference, though. Tressel seems to be covering for violations committed by his players. Pearl and Calhoun were trying to cover up wrongdoing by themselves or their staff members

Oh, yes, we like our mighty to be fallen for some peculiar reason. The whole treatment in its excess reminds me of the treatment of Mother Theresa by that agnostic, Christopher Hitchens, who wrote a book about Mother Theresa and called her “a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.” He cited volumes of instances to buttress his accusations including “her praising the Albanian dictator Enver Hoxha. There is also film of her groveling to the Duvaliers: licking the feet of the rich instead of washing the feet of the poor”. It demonstrates that any icon can be diminished if one can find n “illuminating” incident.

Hemingway, much less tongue-in-cheek has been paraphrased by me before as saying that life breaks everyone. It’s only how you act afterwards that makes you any different. I would like to see us act a lot more supportively. And to act as if we, and Coach Tressel, are in it for the long haul. Together. Just in case!

As the mystics remind us: It is better to struggle forever than to die once. I say, let us continue the struggle with heads held high. And don’t distress. And don’t dis Tress.

Everything’s gonna be all right…

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Tressel‘s traditional stout defense… And I bore in – and possibly bore you – with yet another defense of our football coach.

I may or may not have sent provocative e-mails to the top ten coaches (as determined by salaries) suggesting improprieties by their most prominent players. They may or may not send those up the proper channels; to compliance, to the athletic department, and to the media that demands to know all allegations well before they are proven out. What do you think – what would we hear?

And, thus, I continue my determined and unflagging defense of Coach Tressel – his overall intentions, integrity and vision – in the face of what others assume is unassailable facts and logic. The “unassailable facts” however are really based upon shallow “gotcha” journalism and a lack of context or attempt at understanding. The “logic” is a twisted way of arguing (one that my wife enjoys because of its success rate), that whenever I talk about specifics, she talks about generalities. Whenever I counter with my own countervailing generalities, she shows my errors by bringing up specifics.

It’s frustrating. Like reading this column. Like truly understanding this situation and not relying on sound-bites or dismissive judgments. Hey – thinking is hard work!

Let’s look at some context. Let’s permit the pragmatic light of reality to intrude into all this theorizing. Jim Tressel is now having his world turned inside out and upside down because of a mistake in judgment. An error of omission – not of commission. He was sent an e-mail alleging facts and he didn’t follow it up or turn it over. From that error of omission, of inaction, many judges and jurors out there leapt right to the death penalty phase of the discussion and concluded such wearying epilogues such as:

1) Tressel should be fired.
2) Ohio State is just no damned good.
3) Buckeye fans are frauds and hypocrites
4) Forget the SEC – no one cheats and covers up like Ohio State

Here at this intermission point of negotiating the truth, let us understand that the athletic department, compliance department, Tressel and staff are inundated with e-mails, stories, rumors and pseudo-investigations of player activity. We know of many tips and stories that were provided the athletic department that proved to be misguided, self-serving and baseless. Most of the stories? They are almost always about the stars of the team – the most vulnerable to these kinds of accusations. Of course, the athletic department is defensive. Of course, they hope the largely anonymous allegations are untrue. Of course, they can’t do a full-scale stop-the-presses inquiry of each one. As Upton Sinclair once said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it”.

That doesn’t mean that the men in charge are criminals or venal manipulators. Hey – I know personally of issues that were turned over to compliance and staff and they looked into them and found them inconclusive or even incoherent. Not wrong – just difficult to pin the truthful tale on the writhing donkey. There are 23,000 D-I football athletes, according to a report last week. And do any of you out there have kids in college? I think that most of them are doing something “wrong”: much of the time. Not necessarily just drinking caffeine or having pre-marital sex, which passes for “wrong” at some schools. No, they are involved in gray areas of morality and risk-taking behavior and thoughtless gestures. They feel they are the kings of entitlement. Of invulnerability. Now, multiply that by us putting our star athletes on pedestals and lavishing them with attention and praise. Yes, what could possibly go wrong?

Pretty much everything, all the time. If you investigated each suggested incident, there would be no time for teaching moments and coaching moments or even the games themselves. So, when an e-mail comes in that says – oh, crap – trouble on the horizon, no one expected Tressel to jump in his car and run to compliance. It was just another possibility in the endless streaming of possibilities.

So, is JT exonerated? Did he act properly? Should he be excused for this error of omission? No, no, and no. But is there a climate of lack of control or malicious intent, of subverting the nature of college amateur standards? That’s when this gets ridiculous. That’s when the parallel universe of arguing specifics-versus-generalities has taken over the logic of what went on and what goes on.

Now, let’s all go on…

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Listen, when you have 180,000 or more people registered with the site, some names and passwords and avatars fall through the cracks! But we are diligent and relentless and we want everyone to enjoy the Bucknuts experience.

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Defensive linemen – the series… I have given up my offensive comments about the 2011 team and am now getting defensive in the series of position reports for next year. Let’s talk defensive linemen this week. We are so blessed at the defensive line positions for now and the future that I can keep this quickie summary blessedly short and still be straight over tackle with you guys (an expression I picked up in the south…).

I can’t hide the fact that we lost Dexter Larimore and Cam Heyward from a stellar line last year. But we also can’t hide the fact that we have the best incoming group maybe ever and an even better group (!) after that. Yes, we will be fine anchoring the defense.

As presumed starters next year, we return the fierce duo of John Simon and Nate Williams with Jonathan Hankins, Garrett Goebel and Adam Bellamy figuring large (literally) in the veteran two-deep. Out of sight but not out of mind? Don’t forget emerging possibilities like J.T. Moore, Jonathan Newsome, Darryl Baldwin and Melvin Fellows.

How about that aforementioned super class coming in? I think at least two guys will be in the two-deep despite the also-aforementioned depth. Both Joel Hale and Michael Bennett are my choices to crack the depth chart although Kenny Hayes and Steve Miller were higher rated and Chase Farris can play all four line positions!

Oops – we forgot Solomon Thomas – who will be back for, well…part of the year.

With that embarrassment of riches, can the rich get richer? You betcha, as the stock pile grows ever larger, emanating mostly from the Buckeye state.

While we are likely to lose the best of the best in Chris Wormley, we can’t complain. ‘Cause if he is a 10, then the 9.5’s will just have to do! (I remember when Connor Smith was a 10, btw…)

We are told that Tom Strobel is already “in” and the Bucks are better than even odds on:

1) Greg McMullen
2) Adolphus Washington
3) LaTroy Lewis
4) Se'Von Pittman

And as “back-ups”, just in case? Offers have allegedly gone out to Tommy Schutt and Jordan Watkins (Georgia). And our Mark Porter/Duane Long axis tells us that lesser-known Trae Clark (a mobile 6-4 330-pounder) is a dark horse super candidate for the vaunted position of nose tackle.

Add it all up and say a collective “whew”. There are always things to obsess over in Buckeye Nation but the quality and quantity of the defensive line (for – say – the next 5-6 years) is not one of them.

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How spoiled are we?... Really now. Other teams speculate about the players they have or the opportunities they could have had. We look at a 12-1 season with 15-16 minutes of bad football and a BCS bowl win and ask, “What if?”

Spoiled, I tell you!

Sometimes the worm turns simply on bad luck with personnel. Think about if Eugene Clifford had stayed out of trouble; or if Shariff Floyd hadn’t been bamboozled by Urban Meyer with the deathbed speech; or maybe if Thaddeus Gibson had come back. Wow. Lots of talent and probably (possibly?) a different outcome in Madison.

Those are some great “what-ifs’, but as some have outlined on various message boards, ratchet it up to an even greater level of speculation and think:

1) Assume that the caprices at the NCAA had blown our way and they found out in a timely manner that Cam Newton and his family are guiltier than sin and that the whole Auburn ordeal had ended as it should with suspension and probation and coaches on the rack. Thus, Auburn would have been out of the hunt.
2) Remember Iowa? They just barely lost to Wisconsin and could have won. Easily. That would have moved us up to, say, #4 then, with Auburn sidelined.
3) And Stanford? There was the same likelihood that they could have lost to either USC or Arizona State. Lose to either one and we are #3.
4) With no one else claiming a better schedule or with the NCAA looking down its nose at “the little sisters of the poor”, the Bucks get into the title game with Oregon. And:
5) Just like the previous year, we take the Ducks to the woodshed as they showed all sorts of vulnerabilities in their “title game” with War Eagle, after all.

Coulda. Shoulda. Woulda. We are – indeed – spoiled. But that scenario could have – indeed – happened. It was a helluva a year regardless and maybe closer to all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips than we remember now in the off-season.

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Ohio’s bountiful harvest – now in the Buckeye barn… Each year, we talk about JT and staff building a fence around Ohio and harvesting the best that the good land provides us here. OSU did a fabulous job again with the 2011 class, which was a high quality harvest, indeed, and 2012 promises to be even better.

So much for Ohio by itself. I wanted to look at the total Midwest recruiting possibilities from last year and to grade our regional production. How well did we do with the top recruits from all across the Midwest?

One could say it was “second verse – same as the first”. And while we got no one named Henry (and really no one named Willie or a Sam, although the O-line gives me the Willies and we do have two Sam linebackers); and if you are under 50 and don’t understand those lame references, click here.

For the rest of us, we rely on data and none is better than Bill Kurelic’s fantabulous “Midwest Football Recruiting News”. Facts are stubborn things and Bill is the dean of marshalling those facts and figures. Based upon his final Midwest recruiting summary, here’s where we stand:

Who we got from across the Midwest and who we missed

Here’s interesting stuff (well, at least to me). Bill Kurelic ranks the Top 100 players in the Midwest – yes, that includes a lot of other states in addition to Ohio - even Michigan! As a great example, here are the absolute Top Ten of the Midwest and where they ended up:

1) Braxton Miller OH Ohio State
2) Lawrence Thomas MI Michigan State
3) Kenny Hayes OH Ohio State
4) Davaris Daniels IL Notre Dame
5) Doran Grant OH Ohio State
6) DeAnthony Arnett MI Tennessee
7) Michael Bennett OH Ohio State
8) Steve Miller OH Ohio State
9) Kiaro Holts IN North Carolina
10) Trey DePriest OH Alabama

So, not only did Ohio State keep all the big-timers in the state – other than DePriest – they also got five of the top ten in the Midwest.

Looking deeper into the Top Fifty, for color and depth, Michigan got four players: Brennen Beyer (MI), Justice Hayes (MI), Greg Brown (OH) and Chris Bryant (IL). You would say, “Hey – pretty good. Not a bad class. Gaining on the Buckeyes!” Right? Take a closer look: In the Top 50 in the Midwest, Ohio State had 15 kids! The disparity continues.

Here’s how the talent ranked for the Ohio State kids who made the top 100 in the overall Midwest:

Braxton Miller - #1
Kenny Hayes - #3
Doran Grant – #5
Michael Bennett – #7
Steve Miller – #8
Joel Hale – #16
Nick Vannett – #19
Chase Farris – #21
Evan Spencer – #24
Ron Tanner – #25
Brian Bobek – #28
Devin Smith – #29
Cardale Jones – #31
Derjuan Gambrell – #35
Chris Carter – #38
Antonio Underwood – #75
Tommy Brown - #93

How the other Big Ten teams did recruiting Ohio

From a different perspective, it’s instructive to see what in-roads the other Big Ten teams made into Ohio as it presages future recruiting triumphs and failures. So let’s take a look at who got what from the Buckeye state.

* Nebraska: 2 Ohio players
Kevin Williams – DL, Holland
Max Pirman – LB, Orrville

We didn’t offer either of them…

* Iowa: 2 Ohio players
Ray Hamilton – TE, Strongsville
Johnny Lowdermilk – LB, Carrollton

We didn’t offer either, but took a look at Hamilton…

* Michigan: 7 Ohio kids!
Ken Heitzman – DE, Hilliard
Chris Rock – DE, Columbus
Jack Miller – DL, Toledo
Antonio Poole – LB, Cincinnati
Frank Clark – LB, Cleveland
Greg Brown – DB, Fremont
Tamani Carter – DB, Pickerington

We didn’t offer any of them either although Brown and Rock were once considerations. You have to be a real recruiting junkie to have even heard of Carter, Miller or Heitzman!

* Michigan State: 4 Ohio kids
Connor Cook – QB, Stow
Roger Williamson, - WR, Dayton
Joel Heath – DE, Cincinnati
Donavan Clark – OL, Finneytown

Probably the best haul of the bunch out of Ohio; Williamson could have been a productive Buckeye and Clark might be better than a couple of our Ohio O-linemen but – still – no offers from OSU…

* Wisconsin: 5 Ohio kids
AJ Jordan – WR, Trotwood
Ray Ball – OL, Westerville
Jesse Hayes – DE, Cincinnati
Darius Hillary – DB, Cincinnati

We took a look at Jordan and, uh, passed. We could have taken Ball instead of one of our perpetual two-deep guys but we didn’t. If past is prologue, they will turn him into a line stud and he will grind meat against us. But, final answer? No one of these guys got offers from OSU…

* Penn State: No Ohio kids!
There weren’t a lot of good kids from other states, either. We lost the O-line battle for Angelo Mangiro but he was from New Jersey and that doesn’t count by this reckoning…

* Illinois: 2 Ohio kids
Jeremy Whitlow – WR, Cleveland
Chris Boles – OL, Toledo

Neither had offers or was considered by the good guys. Zook is losing whatever presence he had in Ohio, landing two second-tier Ohio kids out of a class of 27…

* Minnesota: No Ohio kids!
The Golden Goofs usually reach way down but they scoured the country to achieve true mediocrity this year. Hey – they only had five from Minnesota out of a class of 23…

* Indiana: 7 Ohio kids!
Shane Wynn – WR, Cleveland
Cody Latimer – WR, Dayton
Jay McCants – WR, Cincinnati
David Kaminski – OL, Strongsville
Zack Shaw – LB, Coshocton
Mike Replogle – LB, Centerville
Mark Murphy – DB, Akron

The Hoosiers got the best haul from the second tier but still no OSU offers amongst the bunch. Shane Wynn came closest. And as a trivia answer: Replogle is the third brother in five years to go from Centerville to Indiana to play linebacker.

* Northwestern: 4 Ohio kids
Geoff Mogus – OL, Lakewood
Deonte Gibson – DE, Lakewood
Drew Smith – LB, Cincinnati
Nick VanHoose – DB, St. Paris

Quick show of hands: how many of you have heard of these guys? Neither has the OSU recruiting insiders…

* Purdue: No Ohio kids!
Not only none from the neighboring state of Ohio but Indiana didn’t get any from its own state either!

So, of all the Ohio guys that went elsewhere, who did we lose to a B-10 team that we wanted?

Uh, none?

Sorry to distract you from the scandals and the gossip, but on the recruiting front – the Buckeyes continue to rock.

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No distractions at the bottom of the page this week. I wanted to laugh at you guys for a change so bring it on!

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  • This is shaping up as a year that could significantly change the landscape of college football in the midwest because:
    1 - The state of Ohio is loaded with talent
    2 - Even with 20+ scholarships, OSU will be unable to keep all top in-state talent
    3 - The exodus of certain talented players will make it easier for future Ohio stars to leave the state
    4 - There is buzz around Michigan because they fired RichRod and got a "Michigan Man"
    5 - There is buzz around Notre Dame because Brian Kelly had a good first season (wins over USC and Miami)
    6 - National powers are recruiting Ohio more than ever (Texas and Alabama have signed the state's top linebacker the past two years, respectively)
    7 - The OSU scandal tarnishes Tressel's legacy and possibly diminishes his integrity - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting
    8 - The uncertainty of Tressel's future creates questions about the OSU program's future - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting

  • AlonzoShavers82 said... (original post)

    This is shaping up as a year that could significantly change the landscape of college football in the midwest because: 1 - The state of Ohio is loaded with talent 2 - Even with 20+ scholarships, OSU will be unable to keep all top in-state talent 3 - The exodus of certain talented players will make it easier for future Ohio stars to leave the state 4 - There is buzz around Michigan because they fired RichRod and got a "Michigan Man" 5 - There is buzz around Notre Dame because Brian Kelly had a good first season (wins over USC and Miami) 6 - National powers are recruiting Ohio more than ever (Texas and Alabama have signed the state's top linebacker the past two years, respectively) 7 - The OSU scandal tarnishes Tressel's legacy and possibly diminishes his integrity - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting 8 - The uncertainty of Tressel's future creates questions about the OSU program's future - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting

    i am very worried that the same things will happen. I especially am worried about odor lame, braska, ans TSUN.

    you know Hokey will be doing his best to hurt us the next 2 years while uncertainty is haunting the program.

  • Nice job on the opener - best ever. Too many people are willing to throw out years of honorable behavior to throw a man under the bus, without knowing the whole story.

  • hmmm said... (original post)

    Nice job on the opener - best ever. Too many people are willing to throw out years of honorable behavior to throw a man under the bus, without knowing the whole story.

    hmmm, I hope the whole story does comes out and there is some redemption to this whole ordeal. I am no insider, but it seems we are all waiting for the smoking gun to show up so we can have closure. Then the Senator can get back to leading TOSU to victory

  • AlonzoShavers82 said... (original post)

    This is shaping up as a year that could significantly change the landscape of college football in the midwest because: 1 - The state of Ohio is loaded with talent 2 - Even with 20+ scholarships, OSU will be unable to keep all top in-state talent 3 - The exodus of certain talented players will make it easier for future Ohio stars to leave the state 4 - There is buzz around Michigan because they fired RichRod and got a "Michigan Man" 5 - There is buzz around Notre Dame because Brian Kelly had a good first season (wins over USC and Miami) 6 - National powers are recruiting Ohio more than ever (Texas and Alabama have signed the state's top linebacker the past two years, respectively) 7 - The OSU scandal tarnishes Tressel's legacy and possibly diminishes his integrity - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting 8 - The uncertainty of Tressel's future creates questions about the OSU program's future - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting

    In most of my many,many (too many) years of being first a fan of football, then a player, and always a BUCKEYE, II always found myself having to defend OSU to various out of state football fans. Having lived in or a visitor in other states, I was appalled at the hatred of our bucks, most usually not because of any one reason. It invariably came down to the fact that we produced a pretty constant winning team and fans of those teams hated us.Being a longtime Browns and Indians fan, I understood their dislike for my Buckeyes, as I had a constant dislike (hatred seems far too harsh for a game feeling) for the Steelers and surely for the Yankees! So, to at least that degree, I could understand their feelings towards the Bucks.
    But this constant degree of hatism towards J.T. and The Ohio STate University in general is sad. IT is overall a case of unenlightened journalism..."get'em while their down" sensationalism...Not because it is happening, but because it has been blown so far out of proportion compared to other more sinister occurances.LET ME JUST SAY THIS: I don't approve of what J.T. has done, regardless of his reasoning. but I never put him so high on a pedistol that many others have done. I think he is by far one of the most principled leaders ever to lead young men, but he is not, and never claimed to be GOD! So his efforts to help his young (18,19, 20 year olds) at a time he felt it needed....well, he only proved he is human, and subject to the pitfals all of us have endured from time to time.He surely has my support, he has proven he deserves it and I can't believe any Buckeye fan will tuen their back on this man at this time...The NCAA rule was at the very least very idiotic, but the kids knew it and disregarded it. Jim T. tried to protect them, rightly or wrongly. Regardless of what other coaches have to say to future prospects in the state, most recruits will know Coach T. will have their back. That will always count for something, I'm sure!
    Buckical (Doc in Ca.)

  • I enjoyed reading it or, every now and again, perusing it. I like the defense of JT. the BB Bucks was tough on me. Since they are done for the season, I no longer watch BB.

  • there will be no uncertainty after this year if JT survives the witch hunt. it is just not right that any buckeye fan let alone fanatic is not 100% behind JT. Should Ohio have a lean talent year in hs players OSU will again erect that fence. because you cannot take them all we could only hope that they go somewhere were they can get a great education as they are not going to get any championships. should scum flounder the fall will be that much worse for Hoke as the expectations in AA are go much higher. go bucks, go bucknuts and go JT. lets roll

  • AlonzoShavers82 said... (original post)

    This is shaping up as a year that could significantly change the landscape of college football in the midwest because: 1 - The state of Ohio is loaded with talent 2 - Even with 20+ scholarships, OSU will be unable to keep all top in-state talent 3 - The exodus of certain talented players will make it easier for future Ohio stars to leave the state 4 - There is buzz around Michigan because they fired RichRod and got a "Michigan Man" 5 - There is buzz around Notre Dame because Brian Kelly had a good first season (wins over USC and Miami) 6 - National powers are recruiting Ohio more than ever (Texas and Alabama have signed the state's top linebacker the past two years, respectively) 7 - The OSU scandal tarnishes Tressel's legacy and possibly diminishes his integrity - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting 8 - The uncertainty of Tressel's future creates questions about the OSU program's future - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting

    Yeah. All good points.

    However..... the one thing that will sustain this juggernaut know as in-state OSU recruiting is the fact these kids grew up watching the OSU team and all the GREAT things they have done in football over the last ten years. Great times these last ten have been! Kids coming out of high school only really relate to these 'formative' years, and that is where they become "BIG" OSU fans. And these kids dream of playing for OSU because of this recent success, and once they visit and see the awesome facilities, it's a done deal and they are just waiting on the offer. Not all of them dream of OSU (some still grow up fans of other teams because of relatives, etc.), but the vast majority do. No worries. The incredible recruiting will last for some time.

  • It seems a lot of people forget what a bullseye on your back really means!!!!! This is about The Ohio State University Football, the bullseye is still on the back. Every little thing is magnified. How many E-Mails does Jim Tressell get in a year,is he suppose to pass them all on to compliance. I think it is time to shut-up and support the program. Spring football in less than a week!!! I am excited.

  • I am one of the people not excited about the change. For one thing I could not use my screen name because it was too long. I guess that is the way of things. When you change things you never know what the unintended consequence are

  • Tip top Mr. B, as always. Just one question...does anyone outside of the OSU administration really know for sure what Coach Tress did or did not do in this whole ordeal? Despite what was said at the press conference, has it been absolutely established that he did not make anybody else in the administration aware of the circumstances? Or has all the judgement, criticism, slander and derision been potentially premature because as you say, "thinking is hard?" Okay, that was 3 questions.

  • Having had a first hand inside look at U of M yesterday.....us Buckeye fans have reason for concern. 1) Hoke is a very up front guy, it takes all of about 2 minutes to figure that out. 2) The big House is getting 2 video scoreboards the width of the field this year and then linking them to the suite boxes with seats.... capacity 125,000+ in a couple years. 3) If you play Defense...Greg Mattison.
    On the other hand, if the team up north doesn't improve soon it won't even be any fun beating them!

  • ALONZO___QUOTE"The exodus of certain talented players will make it easier for future Ohio stars to leave the state ."
    There have been many Ohio players leave to play else where in the country for many years. Nothing is going to happen most recently to "make it easier", that is any different then the past. Your point is way off...

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  • Thanks Mr. B. for another well written article articulating the feelings of, dare I claim it, a majority of us. Looking forward to learning more and more about 247 and making all of it familiar.

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    The closest that I will ever get to a Buckeye ring or Gold Pants. Saw it sold on e-bay April 29, 2011 for $8500.

  • Again, well written Mr. B and Buckical, I share you thoughs completely.

  • AlonzoShavers82 said... (original post)

    This is shaping up as a year that could significantly change the landscape of college football in the midwest because: 1 - The state of Ohio is loaded with talent 2 - Even with 20+ scholarships, OSU will be unable to keep all top in-state talent 3 - The exodus of certain talented players will make it easier for future Ohio stars to leave the state 4 - There is buzz around Michigan because they fired RichRod and got a "Michigan Man" 5 - There is buzz around Notre Dame because Brian Kelly had a good first season (wins over USC and Miami) 6 - National powers are recruiting Ohio more than ever (Texas and Alabama have signed the state's top linebacker the past two years, respectively) 7 - The OSU scandal tarnishes Tressel's legacy and possibly diminishes his integrity - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting 8 - The uncertainty of Tressel's future creates questions about the OSU program's future - Opposing coaches will use this against OSU in recruiting

    Excellent post, Alonso. If I may play the devil's advocate for a minute,
    2 That has happened often in the past.
    3. This assumes that excellent high school football players actually really care where previous high school players choose to go to school. Did Braxton choose Alabama because his good friend Trey did?
    4&5. There is often a buzz at the schools that get new coaches. IMHO it is deserved at Notre Dame, but winning on the field is the only thing that will retain the said buzz.
    6. Time will tell. We don't seem to be hurting at LB with the loss of the two studs.
    7&8. Maybe. Sabin seems to survive this stuff every year and so did Petey. While this may seem like a huge crisis now, a year from now it may not seem like such a huge crisis.
    Thanks for the thoughtful post.

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  • jjmonheim said... (original post)

    Having had a first hand inside look at U of M yesterday.....us Buckeye fans have reason for concern. 1) Hoke is a very up front guy, it takes all of about 2 minutes to figure that out. 2) The big House is getting 2 video scoreboards the width of the field this year and then linking them to the suite boxes with seats.... capacity 125,000+ in a couple years. 3) If you play Defense...Greg Mattison. On the other hand, if the team up north doesn't improve soon it won't even be any fun beating them!

    I disagrree......it will ALWAYS be fun beating TSUN

  • Great column. How is that quest for larger print coming?

    Old guy in Sylvania.

  • Wow, Mr. B.! How do you do it!? "don't distress. And don't dis Tress."

    For a divorced football junkie from Dayton, you sure write good. ;-)

    When in doubt, punt.

  • Great points regarding the bombardment of scandalous issues brought up to the athletic department regarding the athletes. It's not only outsiders who hate OSU athletics, when I was a graduate assistant, there was no shortage students and staff who resented the athletics department and the perceived special treatment of athletes on campus and in the classroom. I had the good fortune of having to dispel 3 bs rumors regarding football players getting special grading and additional tutoring outside of generally available hours. 3 different kids trying to get their own special treatment by claiming athletes had already been given special treatment. Back then we didn't report it to the athletics department because we were able to handle within our department and with the alleging students counselors, but today I think that type of situation would have to be reported. Because some lazy kids wanted to find a way to turn in assignments late, or retake tests, or have graduate assistants show up in their dorm room to tutor them off hours because they can't be bothered to make office hours early in the morning.

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