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BIG vs SEC............is the gap that great?

  • Buckeye Fans Only ‏ @buckeyefansonly
    #BigTen had the 2nd most players, 41, picked in NFL draft; SEC was 1st w/42 The Southeastern Conference had the (cont)

    What does this say? The gap is really only Bama and possibly LSU from the rest of CFB.

    Keep in mind, this was a very down year for OSU and if Brewster would have been drafted we would ahve tied the SEC.

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

    RM Zeller84982

  • Until you look at SEC first round picks vs Big Ten, then you see the gap.

    Jackson2340

  • RM Zeller said...

    Buckeye Fans Only ‏ @buckeyefansonly #BigTen had the 2nd most players, 41, picked in NFL draft; SEC was 1st w/42 The Southeastern Conference had the (cont)

    What does this say? The gap is really only Bama and possibly LSU from the rest of CFB.

    Keep in mind, this was a very down year for OSU and if Brewster would have been drafted we would ahve tied the SEC.

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

    Those stats can be so misleading.
    The SEC had way more in the first round, Alabama had as many or more first round picks than the Big Ten.
    What is the break down of the first three rounds to rounds 5,6 and 7?
    The gap is LSU and the rest of college football? Georgia and South Carolina had six players drafted each, right behind Bama and South Carolina had two in the first round?
    How many seniors did each team have?
    I know the Big Ten went 1-2 against the SEC in the bowls, and go embarrassed last year in the SEC vs. Big Ten match up's bowl wise.
    Numbers can be made to do a lot of things, the SEC is still better.
    Once Alabama, who lost a ton to the NFL, pulls Michigan's pants down and embarrasses them in Arlington in week one, you will realize the talent disparity, along with Michigan is not back.

    This post was edited by ohiost83 on 4/30/2012 at 8:39 AM

    ohiost83

  • Jackson2340 said...

    Until you look at SEC first round picks vs Big Ten, then you see the gap.

    And the national titles won by 5 different schools since 98. That's like a Wisconsin or Iowa winning a NC to go along with a Michigan and OSU title.

    Yes very large gap. They even has three schools ranked 1, 2 and 3 this past season

    This post was edited by AlphaBuckeye06 on 4/30/2012 at 8:38 AM

    AlphaBuckeye06

  • There is a gap between the Big10 and the SEC in the area of speed and depth on the defensive line...A rather huge gap

    This post was edited by gessig on 4/30/2012 at 8:49 AM

    gessig

  • AlphaBuckeye06 said...

    And the national titles won by 5 different schools since 98. That's like a Wisconsin or Iowa winning a NC to go along with a Michigan and OSU title.

    Yes very large gap. They even has three schools ranked 1, 2 and 3 this past season

    The123 thing last year was bs. The sec was down last year except for bama and lsu so ranking arkansas 3rd imo was waaay off.

    davebucknut

  • davebucknut said...

    The123 thing last year was bs. The sec was down last year except for bama and lsu so ranking arkansas 3rd imo was waaay off.

    Arkansas won at Texas A & M OOC, not an easy thing to do.
    Arkansas won at 11-2 South Carolina and 8 win bowl winner Auburn, both on the road by double digits.
    They also won the Cotton Bowl over 10-2 Kansas State to go 11-2, with their only losses at Bama and at LSU.
    Arkansas was a legit top 5 team, they would have beaten either Wisconsin or MSU on a nuetral field in a bowl setting.

    Now that Texas A&M is permanent on Arkansas's schedule, along with Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State and Auburn, plus they also have Tula and Rutgers OOC this year, if Arkansas goes 8-1 into November they will be top 5 again.

    This post was edited by ohiost83 on 4/30/2012 at 8:59 AM

    ohiost83

  • davebucknut said...

    The123 thing last year was bs. The sec was down last year except for bama and lsu so ranking arkansas 3rd imo was waaay off.

    Nobody else except LSU or Bama could beat them last year. I thought it was right

    AlphaBuckeye06

  • There is a gap when you compare the top four teams in each conference, after that there isnt much difference. When/IF they ever put a stop to oversigning you will see things even out. Do you think it is a coincidence that Bama has like five first rounders every year and they sign 25+ more recruits than anyone else over a four year span? I think not. OSU and scUM will close the gap soon as well with the way they are recruiting.

    fritz_jones

  • ohiost83 said...

    Those stats can be so misleading. The SEC had way more in the first round, Alabama had as many or more first round picks than the Big Ten. What is the break down of the first three rounds to rounds 5,6 and 7? The gap is LSU and the rest of college football? Georgia and South Carolina had six players drafted each, right behind Bama and South Carolina had two in the first round? How many seniors did each team have? I know the Big Ten went 1-2 against the SEC in the bowls, and go embarrassed last year in the SEC vs. Big Ten match up's bowl wise. Numbers can be made to do a lot of things, the SEC is still better. Once Alabama, who lost a ton to the NFL, pulls Michigan's pants down and embarrasses them in Arlington in week one, you will realize the talent disparity, along with Michigan is not back.

    Do you guys read?

    Bama and LSU owned the first few rounds and to even put South Carolina or UGA in that discussion is a joke because their teams are not that good. Just 3 years ago, one year before Cam Newton, NW should have beaten Auburn then BOOM, one SUPER high elite player changes that team. The BIG was AWFUL this year and still had about the same number of players drafted. Oh, and BTW, Illinois had 2 in the first round, does that mean they were a good team? So to prove your point, stats can be misleading and you can make with them what you want. To think their conference, besides Bama and LSU this year, was superior is just mind blowing.

    We as a league have always held our own with the SEC other than the top 1-2 teams. So as a league, the gap is not huge but the top 1-2 teams it is.

    For more proof, who would you have feared last year with our full roster? (TP, Boom and the rest of the gang?)

    For me? Only LSU and Bama would have scared me and I'm pretty sure we would have beat down the rest of the league.

    Keep in mind, we had an awful year and still had 4 guys drafted and should have had 5. We would also have had 6 if TP was still at OSU like he should have been.

    RM Zeller84982

  • RM Zeller said...

    Buckeye Fans Only ‏ @buckeyefansonly #BigTen had the 2nd most players, 41, picked in NFL draft; SEC was 1st w/42 The Southeastern Conference had the (cont)

    What does this say? The gap is really only Bama and possibly LSU from the rest of CFB.

    Keep in mind, this was a very down year for OSU and if Brewster would have been drafted we would ahve tied the SEC.

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

    Gap is huge - all you have to do is watch college football to figure that out. I love the Big-10 more than anyone but it is what it is.

    8 of the first of 15 players selected were from the SEC, Big-10 had zero.
    SEC 11 1st rounders, BIG - 3 all seclected 23rd or later.

    JDgopher

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    ScarletCWAY

  • RM Zeller said...

    Do you guys read?

    Bama and LSU owned the first few rounds and to even put South Carolina or UGA in that discussion is a joke because their teams are not that good. Just 3 years ago, one year before Cam Newton, NW should have beaten Auburn then BOOM, one SUPER high elite player changes that team. The BIG was AWFUL this year and still had about the same number of players drafted. Oh, and BTW, Illinois had 2 in the first round, does that mean they were a good team? So to prove your point, stats can be misleading and you can make with them what you want. To think their conference, besides Bama and LSU this year, was superior is just mind blowing.

    We as a league have always held our own with the SEC other than the top 1-2 teams. So as a league, the gap is not huge but the top 1-2 teams it is.

    For more proof, who would you have feared last year with our full roster? (TP, Boom and the rest of the gang?)

    For me? Only LSU and Bama would have scared me and I'm pretty sure we would have beat down the rest of the league.

    Keep in mind, we had an awful year and still had 4 guys drafted and should have had 5. We would also have had 6 if TP was still at OSU like he should have been.

    "Should haves" show weaknesses in your argument and you have a ton of them. Every one including the SEC can have "should haves." we can only measure by what "actually happened."

    AlphaBuckeye06

  • fritz_jones said...

    There is a gap when you compare the top four teams in each conference, after that there isnt much difference. When/IF they ever put a stop to oversigning you will see things even out. Do you think it is a coincidence that Bama has like five first rounders every year and they sign 25+ more recruits than anyone else over a four year span? I think not. OSU and scUM will close the gap soon as well with the way they are recruiting.

    OSU will close the gap, many of the kids we have we have won head to head battles with the SEC elites, Pac 10 elites and teams like FSU, speed athletes, atheltic defensive game makers.
    UofM, many of their players get the typical 4 star UofM bump after a commit, outside of a few OL in their class, most of their class right now does not have commits from kids that they won recruiting battles with the national elites. 4/5 kids they have commits from, they won battles over Central Michigan, Indiana, Northwestern and Toledo for goodness sakes. There is no real athletic freaks on their commit list that say wow with film or offers list.
    The star ratings in large parts are a joke, look at the offer list and who you beat for a kid, the coaches from those elite schools offering means more than these sites and their popularity contests.
    This is the same type class Carr put together most years, and OSU owned him, and teams like USC (twice killed UofM in Rose Bowls recently) and Oregon owned them late in his tenure OOC and bowls with ease, way too many athletes and speed.
    Saban said it best about recruiting two years ago if he was a recruitnik. He said he would base it off of offers, because if you won or lost a kid to the 10/11 type true elites that offered that kid, those are the teams you face in BCS bowls or compete for national titles with.

    ohiost83

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    ohiost83

  • RM Zeller said...

    Do you guys read?

    Bama and LSU owned the first few rounds and to even put South Carolina or UGA in that discussion is a joke because their teams are not that good. Just 3 years ago, one year before Cam Newton, NW should have beaten Auburn then BOOM, one SUPER high elite player changes that team. The BIG was AWFUL this year and still had about the same number of players drafted. Oh, and BTW, Illinois had 2 in the first round, does that mean they were a good team? So to prove your point, stats can be misleading and you can make with them what you want. To think their conference, besides Bama and LSU this year, was superior is just mind blowing.

    We as a league have always held our own with the SEC other than the top 1-2 teams. So as a league, the gap is not huge but the top 1-2 teams it is.

    For more proof, who would you have feared last year with our full roster? (TP, Boom and the rest of the gang?)

    For me? Only LSU and Bama would have scared me and I'm pretty sure we would have beat down the rest of the league.

    Keep in mind, we had an awful year and still had 4 guys drafted and should have had 5. We would also have had 6 if TP was still at OSU like he should have been.

    I always love the take away the top 2 teams in America (BAMA and LSU) argument and our conference is just as good as the SEC. Take away Ohio State from the BIG from 2000-2010 and you have one of the worst conferences in college football. By the way don't tell Nebraska that South Carolina sucks because they pounded them laat year and it was ugly.

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