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  • You can teach everyone the idea and the theory (where to hit, wrap the ankles, hit with your shoulder, drive through) but only some have the mindset (some call it "bad intentions") to actually remove the other player from his feet. Giving the ball carrier a hug and hoping he falls down is tackling, but not good tackling.

    If you could just teach everyone "how to tackle" then every LB would turn in to Ray Lewis. That man has bad intentions. And because he has bad intentions he uses his body like a weapon to remove the other player from his feet and sometimes from the ball. That is what makes him so great.

    Tackling in pee wee is not the same as HS, HS not the same as college, college not the same as in the NFL... each has a significant leap in difficulty. A bad tackler in HS can work on his form, but will probably not become known for his tackling. The guys who have the "knack" are usually identified early on these days... those are the guys that improve by leaps and bounds when "coached up."

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    Duane


  • well said nalancia

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  • nalancia said...

    You can teach everyone the idea and the theory (where to hit, wrap the ankles, hit with your shoulder, drive through) but only some have the mindset (some call it "bad intentions") to actually remove the other player from his feet. Giving the ball carrier a hug and hoping he falls down is tackling, but not good tackling.

    If you could just teach everyone "how to tackle" then every LB would turn in to Ray Lewis. That man has bad intentions. And because he has bad intentions he uses his body like a weapon to remove the other player from his feet and sometimes from the ball. That is what makes him so great.

    Tackling in pee wee is not the same as HS, HS not the same as college, college not the same as in the NFL... each has a significant leap in difficulty. A bad tackler in HS can work on his form, but will probably not become known for his tackling. The guys who have the "knack" are usually identified early on these days... those are the guys that improve by leaps and bounds when "coached up."

    I agree with your first paragraph and for the most part the last, but not the middle. If just teaching everyone how to tackle would make everyone a Ray Lewis assumes everyone has Lewis' talent and desire. I think he is great, not just because of his intangables, but also because he is technically sound.

    I think you ended with what was essentially my point. The natural abilities and desire of the athletes gets enhanced with the superior coaching they receive in college. I agree with you completely that the guys who have the "knack" are usually spotted early...they tend to stand out.

    GreyMatter

  • Can we wait until the kid gets on the field? huh

    Buckrock

  • Duane I would argue that you can teach tackling, traditionally weather it be college or pro there are teams that are always good tackling teams, they are known for that, in the pro's Pittsburg, Baltimore, Giants, Bears, Vikings.....ect. there are also teams that stink at tackling traditionally, the one common factor is coaching, I do think it absolutely plays into it. I would agree that a mindset is the key ingredient, it's not like Winfield was the biggest guy on the field, but he was a sure hard hitting tackler, in fact Mike Doss was small but was a sure tackler, so I think it's a little bit of both, coaching and mindset. That's my opinion for what it's worth.

    mason01

  • mason01 said...

    Duane I would argue that you can teach tackling, traditionally weather it be college or pro there are teams that are always good tackling teams, they are known for that, in the pro's Pittsburg, Baltimore, Giants, Bears, Vikings.....ect. there are also teams that stink at tackling traditionally, the one common factor is coaching, I do think it absolutely plays into it. I would agree that a mindset is the key ingredient, it's not like Winfield was the biggest guy on the field, but he was a sure hard hitting tackler, in fact Mike Doss was small but was a sure tackler, so I think it's a little bit of both, coaching and mindset. That's my opinion for what it's worth.

    I agree with you completely. I was actually just thinking of a similar example on a much smaller scale. Like most high schools we had a rival. Back then we were always known for great offenses, particularly throwing the football, and our rival was well known for always having great, fundamentally sound defenses. While our talent pool was comparatively even, it was the coaching that separated our two teams. They were very proficient in teaching defense while we were very proficient in teaching offense. Year in and year out both teams were remarkably consistent in how well they played on their respective sides of the ball. While there are certainly other factors, the one consistent variable was the coaching.

    GreyMatter

  • " GreyMatter said...

    I agree with your first paragraph and for the most part the last, but not the middle. If just teaching everyone how to tackle would make everyone a Ray Lewis assumes everyone has Lewis' talent and desire. I think he is great, not just because of his intangables, but also because he is technically sound.

    I think you ended with what was essentially my point. The natural abilities and desire of the athletes gets enhanced with the superior coaching they receive in college. I agree with you completely that the guys who have the "knack" are usually spotted early...they tend to stand out."

    The part of this that you are not getting i the desire. You have to want to hit. It is a mindset. Williams has not shown it yet. I hope he will. I doubt it happens. The last time we had one it did not happen. Marcus Freeman had all the great tool that Williams has plus size. He was a drag down tackler who failed to make plays simply because he would never stick his head in there. I see no reason to be optimistic that this one will be any different.

    Duane

  • Duane said:
    The part of this that you are not getting i the desire. You have to want to hit. It is a mindset. Williams has not shown it yet. I hope he will. I doubt it happens. The last time we had one it did not happen. Marcus Freeman had all the great tool that Williams has plus size. He was a drag down tackler who failed to make plays simply because he would never stick his head in there. I see no reason to be optimistic that this one will be any different.

    I'm not sure how in the world you are saying that I don't get the 'desire' part of this equation. I have said over and over that is absolutely part of this equation. And Freeman was a perfect example of someone with talent and technique but didn't have the killer instinct. But that still doesn't change the fact that being sound technically is a part of the equation as well. How many times have we seen defenders fly up to a ball carrier, hit him with all he's got, only to see the ball carrier spin out because the defender didn't hit and wrap? Or come up hard to make a play but over pursue and miss the ball carrier? We have been fortunate over the years that our coaches have done a good job teaching our defenders how to tackle well. I agree with you that last year they were not good at it, but over the last 10 years, sound tackling (especially in the open field) has been a strength of this defense.

    This post was edited by GreyMatter on 3/5/2012 at 7:17 PM

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    GreyMatter

  • First post so don't hate too much. I believe by the time you get to college, especially a big time program like The Ohio State University, you should already know the proper tackling technique. You can have the intangibles such as aggressiveness and instincts, but I think a college coaches job would be to fine tune on the skills already learned. You should not have to "teach" a kid how to tackle, he should already know that coming in.

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    TJMMBuckeyes

  • Watch Jamal Marcus's Film!...Tackling Machine with Killer instincts that wants to hurt you every time he hits you!

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