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Didn't see it posted here, but SIAP
Who would win between Notre Dame and Ohio State?
December 10, 2012, 2:00 p.m.
Notre Dame finished the college football season undefeated and will play in the BCS championship game. Ohio State also went unbeaten but is ineligible for a bowl due to NCAA sanctions.
Writers from around the Tribune Co. discuss the possible outcomes if the two teams had been able to meet this season. Feel free to join the conversation with a comment of your own.
► Chris Dufresne, Los Angeles Times
There are a lot of similarities between the two schools. Both have star coaches who came up through the MAC ranks who also led previous schools to undefeated seasons. Both are tough, resilient teams that easily could have multiple losses and not even be ranked in the top 10. Notre Dame almost lost to unranked Pitt, trailed unranked BYU and scored a controversial overtime victory against Stanford. Lowly California almost beat Ohio State and Purdue took the Buckeyes to overtime.
There is one huge difference, though, between Notre Dame and Ohio State. Notre Dame played every game with the pressure of the national title at stake while Ohio State was essentially playing with house money knowing it could not participate in the post season. This was a huge psychological advantage for Ohio State as there really were no consequences for defeat. Ohio State could play as if it had nothing to lose because nothing could be lost. Ohio State also did not have to play in the Big Ten title game.
The other thing that sticks in my mind is Notre Dame's impressive win at Oklahoma. Ohio State has no road victory that remotely matches that and to me is an indication that the Irish would win a mythical matchup against the Buckeyes.
► Shannon Ryan, Chicago Tribune
It’s almost convenient for Ohio State that it is not eligible to play for the national championship this season. The Buckeyes would be no match for Notre Dame and the Irish defense. Notre Dame’s defense led by Manti Te’o would force Ohio State quarterback Braxton Miller, who passed for a pedestrian 169.9 yards per game this season, to throw.
As for these being the only two undefeated teams in the country, Ohio State’s winning record against a weak Big Ten slate along with victories against nonconference nobodies like Miami (Ohio), Central Florida, California and UAB hardly compares to the Irish winning at Oklahoma and Stanford to remain unbeaten.
Ohio State’s defense, prone to missing tackles, would allow big days by Notre Dame running backs Theo Riddick and Cierre Wood. The Buckeyes are lucky this is a hypothetical debate.
► Matthew Murschel, Orlando Sentinel
It’s hard to imagine how different the discussions would be surrounding a BCS championship game if Ohio State weren’t sitting out this postseason due to a bowl ban. The two teams that survived the season undefeated facing off for the national championship is a match made in TV heaven.
The Buckeyes have one of the more dynamic players in college football in Braxton Miller, a dual-threat quarterback who was second in the Big Ten in total offense this season. His play helped make Ohio State the No. 1 scoring offense in the league.
Miller would face his toughest challenge of the season in Notre Dame, which ranks sixth in the nation in total defense and is led by Heisman Trophy runner-up linebacker Manti Te’o. Te’o was the emotional backbone of the unit, helping the Fighting Irish win some close games.
In the end, it’s that ability to win the close contests that would give Notre Dame the edge in a battle between these two Midwest powers.
► Mark Wogenrich, Allentown Morning Call
As appealing as the Notre Dame-Alabama title game is, Notre Dame-Ohio State would have been an even better show. Manti Te'o vs. Braxton Miller alone is worth the tune-in.
The nation's two unbeatens share wins over Michigan State, Michigan and Purdue, along with a pair of overtime victories. Notre Dame caught its break in three OTs against Purdue; Ohio State needed two miracles to beat Purdue.
Notre Dame's road wins over Oklahoma and USC hint at a slight edge over the Buckeyes, whose best road victories were at Penn State and Wisconsin. But the quarterback edge goes to Ohio State, whose all-purpose skill guys would clinch another national championship for Urban Meyer.
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Fact is ND would have likely lost if Barkley was playing. Secondly, ND flat out lost to Pitt and Stanford without help from the zebras. Finally, Urban ate Kellys Bearcats for breakfast a few years ago and would flat out coach him again. People can call the B10 weak and thats fine but until ND plays a B10 schedule week in and week out its just huff n puff and they know it. Id bet money that ND wouldnt have run the table in the B10. Chokelahoma is over rated every year and lowly Cal (who beat UCLA by 26 points) would steamroll Pitt just like Ytown State did.
This post was edited by 95buckeye 16 months ago
We would beat ND but not Bama
What a crock of shit!
I think its interesting how the L.A. Times writer hints that Ohio State had no pressure all season to win as we had already known we would not be playing in a bowl game. While at the same time completely failing to acknowledge how great of a coaching job Urban did in keeping and ineligible team motivated to go 12-0 with "no pot of gold to look forward to at the end of the rainbow" like the rest of CFB.
This post was edited by South_Olentangy 16 months ago
"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons".
General Douglas MacArthur
It's be a close game but I agree, I feel like we'd probably fall a little short. Not bad for Urban's first year.
Although. Urban has a great record in bowl games so you never know.
We haven't lost to the Domers in something like fifty years and this year would be no different. The only hope they have is that they can say whatever they want and find comfort in the fact that they don't have to step on the fieeld and play against the Silver Bullets. Think I will go watch the video of the 2006 Fiesta Bowl. Go Bucks!!
"In the end, it’s that ability to win the close contests that would give Notre Dame the edge in a battle between these two Midwest powers."
...and the Buckeyes haven't won any close games?
The closest that I will ever get to a Buckeye ring or Gold Pants. Saw it sold on e-bay April 29, 2011 for $8500.
I think we'd compete well against them both and hold a decent shot at beating either.
Solid points aside from the bearkitty one.. Kelly didn't coach that game.
It's hilarious that Notre Dame won so many games against mediocre teams, yet they'll somehow destroy Ohio State. They beat Michigan 13-6 and Michigan State 20-3, and barely beat Purdue. That's not too different from how we played those two teams.
Notre Dame might beat OSU if they played, but for Shannon Ryan to talk like Ohio State is lucky that it's hypothetical is laughable. They had one dominant win against a good team (Oklahoma) and barely beat a lot of mediocre teams on their schedule. It's like predicting Ohio State would blow someone out in 2002. Very good team, but they rarely won by blowing out the opposition. I'm not sure what Notre Dame team Ryan was watching this year.
This post was edited by drmiller166 16 months ago
Who did OSU blow out? And name a team that we beat better than Stanford and Oklahoma... No team in our conference is ranked as high. Look at both resume's and not just ND's. Both teams had their struggles but to discredit their resume is a joke. Going into the season they clearly played the toughest schedule... scUM, MSU, Oklahoma, Stanford, USC... We played 2 of those teams and the rest bums.
I think we'd beat them..
Not implying it wouldn't be a good close game.
We all know though, that If we were to lose all the games we were not supposed to have a chance in, due to the other teams record and performance in games-played during that current year, we would not have beaten Oregon so handily in the Rose (whom the prognosticators were only arguing just how many points the Ducks would bury us with), and we sure wouldn't have this 3 game winning streak over the irish (1995-1996-2005) where we've beaten them by scores of 45-26, 29-16, and the Fiesta Bowl trouncing of 34-20 when Charlie had that decisive schematic advantage.
...and, that silly national championship game we supposedly had no right playing in against those 'canes.
Edit to add the word "supposedly" in the last sentence.
Wasn't sure if the sarcasm showed through without it :-)
This post was edited by gessig 16 months ago
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