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Having a little trouble posting this, but I will keep trying.
That's a helluva an article! Felt like I should've read that in the WSJ...
Excellent! Great read and helpful perspective...as always.
Great article. Still doesn't mean that the two additions are a joke for football and have watered down an already weak big ten, but does explain why.
Finally someone has broken it down into the real money.
One quick correction: The Big Ten has 12 current AAU members (Chicago is a member) and soon to be 14.
Two other quick facts for you:
AAU institutions currently receive 58% of all money for research grants and bestow 52% of all Phd's in the United States.
You may not be aware, but all of the Ivy League schools are also members...so basically...if you want to be taken truly seriously from an academic perspective, you crave membership in the AAU.
The Big Ten wants to remain the only conference still competing in FBS football in which its members maintain AAU status. I look for Nebraska to reclaim that status at some point down the road.
Charles, exceptional work. A lot of posters have hinted at the "academic money" but I have yet to see a post or an article (the WSJ is a perfect example) that explains the real, underlying factors to this movement.
You have researched it and so I would pose this hypothetical to you for the sake of ramapant but informed speculation:
It's 5 years later and the B1G is enjoying it's 1st full season with the likes of the ACC core (UVA, GT, UNC, Duke) How realistic is an addition of FSU if they reach AAU status? In that vein, how realistic is it that the B1G begins to successfully court the next geographical members of the AAU in strong markets: the Univeristy of Florida and Vanderbilt?
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Man what a well written article.
It goes to show you that the presidents in the big ten and PAC whatever get the bigger picture. This expansion literally may have been the biggest gain of all of the teams who have changed places because of the points listed.
Does Nebraska still get a split or share of the AAU grant money given that they've lost their status? Just curious. If they do, it's a pretty sweet deal for them being the one B1G school not a current member but still reaping the benefits. I'd imagine that the B1G would maybe lay down an ultimatum stating that unless they revive that AAU status in XX time they'd be cut off from the funding dividend.
By the way, absolutely excellent write up. By far the best I've seen. One of the few things on a message board you can say you now feel smarter for having ready! Great Job!!!
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Wow. Very interesting article. Eye opening to say the least. Can't wait for the Holiday cocktail parties tosound like I really know what I am talking about....haha. I'll pretend I did all the research on my own.
I don't think they do and I think that their re-entry is a collaborative process with the B1G (everyone is pitching in).
Someone posted that their medical center is not a part of the university system (althought the vast majority of its research department are probably Nebraska faculty and doctoral students). Once the Univeristy is able to align the Center into it's system, re-admittance is a foregone conclusion.
BABB!!! I've missed you (no homo). Babb's Bits were my favorite article. You need to come back so we can enjoy your work on the regular. Unless, you're still here under a pseudonym...hmmm. Either way, great to read your material.
Amazing insight Charles. Thanks for posting.
One question? Why would Nebraska lose their standing by joining a conference with those same members.
Maybe I read it wrong but just curious?
Possibly the most informative and well written explanation of the inner machinations of higher education I have ever had the pleasure to read: thank you
Well done Charles. You provided additional insight. With such a well written article I would suggest you change the analogy quote Jim Tressel paraphrasing Lance Armstrong. Both men have shown the inability to live the words that they preach.
RE above questions
- Nebraska lost status because they were not viewed as having enough research and high enough academics across a university level. I got the impression Nebraska disagreed with the vote (they were voted out if memory serves) because they are doing a good bit of research agriculturally. That is, IMO, pretty important stuff considering the world has to eat.
My guess is Nebraska will invest a bit and improve and regain their status.
- AAU guarantees no money. It just says that you are part of the academic cream of the crop in North America. Your university is a great place to get an education and frankly - you have a seat at the table for the big academic decisions/questions of the day.
- Have fun with this and yes, you can sound like the guy or gal who really knows what they are talking about. The sportswriters have really missed the boat in this discussion IMO. If every Big Ten school gains 1K out of state students, $20 million in grants, and saves $10 million a year (only) - then the across the board gain without the Big Ten Network is around $60 million PER year. If those 1K students are instead graduate students then you may be looking at $65-70 million per year.
And oh yeah...don't forget that more alumni and more research means a better chance of connecting with a future donor who might donate $50 million to your endowment or to a particular program.
Weston - I think we all fall short. I find myself falling short routinely.
Tembuck2 - I think it less likely because I believe once the superconferences form they will stay in their current form for at least a decade or possibly more. The last real wave of expansion happened about 20 years ago (PSU). I think the addition of Rutgers and Maryland are part of an ongoing expansion connected to Nebraska.
I could see Florida State improving their programs and investing to become an AAU member, but that sort of thing takes a good while. It might take a generation.
Also, I don't see Florida or Vanderbilt leaving the SEC. The SEC does not have the academic research or prestige, but it has been their home for a long time and is a stable league which pays out handsomely to its members.
I'm gong to lay out the football schedule for the next 5 years, show me one, just one game Ohio State fans would find acceptable to lose.
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