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Put me down as not a fan of this. I don't care what role he has in the organization, this is a terrible hire.
Maybe the Browns are using the "Bizarro World" theory. We've had nothing but wrong choices since the team came back. Maybe you look at who you would hire, and then take the person opposite to that one you would have chosen.
I'm a Browns fan so I guess I don't expect anything. They haven't been good since I was in 4th grade. (I'm 35 today). Browns fans need to let go of the past 1987 is a long time ago. The reason why I say that is that everyone is compared to Kosar and Webster Slaughter. Get over it, game has changed.
Yeah, I am definitely not a fan of the Lombardi hire either. But I am willing to give him a chance. Hopefully this front office and coaching staff can be on the same page and keep improving the team and roster.
I dont think the D personnel will have any real drastic changes if we do indeed switch to a 3-4 like is being speculated. I think we need to add some 3-4 OLB types through the draft and FA, but that is very doable with the 6th pick and free agency. I can see Cleveland taking Dion Jordan or Jarvis Jones at 6. I think Sheard will be fine to man the other OLB position as he won't be asked to drop into coverage much. He will be used more like Terrell Suggs and Lamaar Woodley are used in the 3-4 as a pass rusher. He can do that. Our DL should be fine to transision to the 3-4 as well as it is a strength of our defense.
Offensively I like our young playmakers in Little, Gordon, Benjamin, TRich, Hardesty, Cameron. They are all young and bring physical talent to the offense. Benjamin isn't an every down WR, but he has serious speed and hopefully Chud and Norv can find plays and packages to utilize his speed and stretch the defense. OLine is young also and talented. Would love to see an upgade at the RG position. Would love to see a vet WR (Amendola) be brought in. Browns have over $40 million in cap space to use I believe. Will be interesting to see what Chud and Norv can do wiith Weeds too (assuming they like him and want him to be the starter). Lombardi hasnt had many positive things to say about him throughout this past season. We will also need to make some moves at TE. We still have Cameron, but Watson and Smith are FA. I would like to see Watson brought back and them maybe take a TE in the mid rounds in the draft.
Definitely bummed they brought Lombardi in but keeping an open, optimistic mind right now.
Also would LOVE to see Horton as the DC in Cleveland. Hope that actually happens.
it happened! Done deal. Horton is your DC...assuming you're a Browns fan
Going to a 3-4 is going to be a %&&%%& mess. The strength of our team is the DT position. Not only are Rubin and Taylor young stars in the making, Hugles and Winn are excellent young subs. What better idea than changing to a D that not only negates whatever personell advantages we have but also accentuates a weakness, ie lack of LBs. A healthy dose of dumping players is up next.
Does anybody else think this new regime is fucking retarded? I am so pissed by this bullshit. Lombardi on!
No doubt you will have growing pains in year 1 of this system. Year 2 will be a significant improvement. I am telling you, Players LOVE Horton. he is smart and an excellent coach. The downside is he will most likely be a HC in the next 2 years or so.
Our quarterback does front flips, suck it.
That's good to hear bout Horton. I guess time will tell on how guys adjust. It's easy to say Sheard can make the transition (as well.as other players), how it actually happens will determine how the D functions.
In Jauron's 4-3 we absolutley needed another starting CB. After changing defenses we now absolutley need multiple players to make it work. We just made acheiving success more difficult. We are deconstructing a functional D. Really for what reason?
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So disappointed in what Banner did in hiring Lombardi who has proven to be a poor evaluator of talent and has also been a rat within the NFL walls. Banner and Lombardi just so sad.
Yeah, Sheard's transition to the 3-4 will definitely be a key to how successful the 3-4 will be. We do need another CB and a S (needed those no matter what D we were in). OLB will be a big key and probably the pick at 6.
I see us addressing some needs (S, CB, OLB, OG, TE) in free agency too. Porbably not all of those spots, but definitely some. We have a ton of cap space and have to spend some of it. Again I would love to see Amendola brought in to be our possesion/slot WR.
Will be interesting to see if the new regime gives Weeds a chance too. I hope they do, but you never know with regime changes.
Free agency (done right, of course) could really fill some holes. Heckert really eschewed that strategy, at least in the time he had here. While I agreed with his philosophy of building up via the draft, adding some vets to this young nucleus would probably be a good thing.
CB is a must-fill position. Sheldon Brown played admirably, but we lost 2-3 games because Haden was out and had nobody serviceable to back up. Brown can't keep playing CB at his age. Therefore we absolutely need a starting CB. I would say its the #1 priority. Free agency might be a good place to get that done, especially if Millner is the #1 CB and perhaps best in zone (a very good player though, no doubt).
Eagles guy here... I sincerely feel for Browns fans. Banner and Lombardi don't deserve to work for such an iconic organization and you deserve better. Lombardi may or may not be qualified, but banner is a bad egg.
Joe Banner (former Eagles President) gets the axe last season in Philadelphia, after Lurie and Reid didn't agree with Banner's philosophy. Banner was never liked or trusted by the players for how he handled contract negotiations and such. Banner and Lurie grew up friends and now are rivals...and hey I have no idea if it will prove to be a good head coacing hire, but the Chip Kelly sweepstakes between Cleveland and Philly had to sting for Joe Banner losing out to Lurie of all people... Banner is also reportedly the 'source' for the quotes used recently in an article by CBS Jason La Canfora poking fun of the Eagles coaching search and in particular the new GM that took over for Banner, Howie Roseman... calling him "drunk for power" and "out of his league" being "the reason why Philadelphia couldn't sign a quality head coach yet"
Sounds like Cleveland is starting to see this guys true colors already... and the fact he hired Lombardi for act 2 of his horror show has to only continue to deflate a passionate and weary fan base that deserves better, imo.
Thanks for your input, and you are confirming some of my fears.
Banner's power was one reason Heckert may have left even if he hadn't been canned. You undoubtedly have more insight into their history and relations than I do.
I had high hopes for the Holmgren/Heckert regime. I'm already cringing at the current group before a single game has been played.
Yeah, Heackert was the Eagles GM before taking the Cleveland job... which he was highly endorsed by Andy Reid at the time, because he wasn't going to be retained... think of Tressel helping Mark Snyder get the Marshall gig. (wink) You should be glad he moved on...
Well, Lombardi has been involved at least in the league on a daily basis through the network, and I'm sure he is a bright guy, so hope for the best.... just know Banner is quite smart, but a cold blooded snake. We can both only hope for better days ahead for our respective clubs. (sigh)
Maybe I am misunderstanding...what do you mean about Heckert?
the impression I have gathered regarding Heckert is he is a solid yes man...and supposedly he doesn't rank high across the league when it comes to the GM role. I base this on reports over the past several years during and after he left the Eagles and why he left the Eagles. I guess that is up for debate, but I wouldn't want Heckert back.
Poor, sorry, Joe Banner... this is not a happy soul.
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