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I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of hearing that Urban is building an "SEC Defense" he is building a Buckeye Defense. hints the moniker Silver Bullets. Big Fast Defense. It's always been here Insert Aj Hawk and Bobby Carpenter. We have been a team who has prided itself on defense since i can remember and that's just Insulting.
Now if we Snag Bell and he shows he is ready to Start as a freshmen would it be better to Move Christian Bryant down to the Star ( Where he Belongs and play Bell at safety. Bryant is a human cruise missile who like's to blow up anything in his blast radius. granted he O Lays a ton but, better coming from the star than our last line of defense at safety. Thoughts.
I've been thinking the same thing. I want a REAL BUCKEYE DEFENSE, not an SEC defense. Look at the SEC's best defense, Florida's, and look at how Louisville shredded them apart. Good post. +1
We may have lost the battle......but not the war.
We were a top 5 defense throughout the aughts.
I agree--when OSU's defense has been at its best, it's been at least as good as the SEC defenses.
I hate the comparison to a "SEC defense" because it implies that Ole Miss, Vandy, and Tennesee have good defenses. They do not. I prefer the phrase "elite defense." Teams like Alabama have elite defenses....I wish we did too. We'll get there again.
This post was edited by GenieCarb 18 months ago
Guys I hate all the hype too, but we just are going to have to keep our mouth shut and live with it until we can do something about it. I'm realistic and I know we can't win the NC every year. I'm hoping we can win one in the next 3 years. But the rest of the country has to step up, Texas, Oklaholma, FSU, Oregon, USC, if other teams would start winning NC including us then all the sec crap would stop.
To listen to many football analyst, one would think no one played fast, explosive defense until SEC schools rose to prominence. Ignore the wrecking crew formerly at Arizona, the Blackshirts at Nebraska, Penn State's, Florida State's, Miami's and USC's nasty defenses, and of course our Silver Bullets of yore.
To be real, annually the SEC has two great teams that play great defense, then a lot of middling teams that feast on directional schools and mediocre SEC offenses like LSU's. SEC teams gave up around 3 touchdowns on average in bowl games this season. Clemson and Louisville ran through two of the SEC's most vaunted defenses (LSU and Florida, respectively).
Further proof that most people are sheep and don't care to do their own due diligence, with a handful of media outlets as the intentionally blind shepherds. 2-3 teams do not a conference make.
And what am I missing? Didn't A&M also shred Bama's "SEC" defense. We've been making SEC defenders into Gods for years. The perception now is that Alabama could beat the Chiefs or Raiders, etc. How many SEC National Championship teams have been undefeated?
Also, something I have been pointing out for years is that when it comes to Bowl matchups the deck is always stacked for the SEC and against the B1G. Only one B1G team (Northwestern) was a favorite this year, while only one SEC team (Miss St) was an underdog. The B1G won the only game it was supposed to win (and one it wasn't) and the SEC lost 2 of the 7 games they were favored to win. The same is true almost every year - the SEC is always playing down in competition (no matter the conference or teams) and the B1G is always playing up in competition. While it appears we are getting respect from the Bowl committees, we are collectively no more than sacrificial lambs - who are starting out at a disadvantage.
While the B1G looks at it as an opportunity to play good competition, the SEC is licking its collective chops at the mismatches. Then, when it's all over, all anyone can talk about is how dominant the SEC was in Bowl games. Hell, they were the favorites in all but one game and lost the only one they were expected to lose. But perception always trumps reality.
BTW, how many times has OSU been the favorite in Bowl games in the last two decades? Or the entire B1G for that matter. Perhaps one of you statistical wonks could look it up. Include the SEC while you're at it. IMO, it should be very revealing.
Thanks in advance.
This post was edited by McCague 18 months ago
I predict we will have have the #1 defense (and #1 offense) in the country for next year. I think this for 2 reasons, one, we will be very good, but mostly because we have a Big Ten schedule which we will shread. My worst fear we will be too overconfident when we meet the Tide January 6, 2014 in Pasadena.
On a somewhat related note, while SEC fans pat themselves on the back for Alabama's win last night, they might want to rethink their pride in winning the 7th national title in a row. Nick Saban does not appear to be in a sharing mood and I am not sure I'd be bragging about the fact he will be kicking the shit out of my team for years to come....
Good post....but as far as OSU's defense we aren't there yet. So until we solve the problems and/or fill the holes we have on defense I'm not ready to compare it to any other defenses. I think we are two years away from expecting a dominant defense. Maybe it will solid next year, maybe even best in the conference...but to be where we all want it to be and think it should be...I think we are 2-3 years away from that.
Sec defenses I would not want:
Arkansan, Kentucky, Mississippi St., Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Auburn, ole Miss,
Agreed, I would not have been confident had tOSU matched up against Alabama, Oregon, Texas A&M, or Louisville this year. Not that we didn't have the guns to compete in those fights, but I witnessed too many blown assignments and missed tackles to believe the D would put together a great game to stop the top QBs and offenses around the nation. And our offense played with one arm tied behind its back in regards to the passing game. I'm not sure whether the same would hold for Oregon, A&M, or Louisville, but you are not going to beat Alabama without a competent passing game.
In 2012, tOSU competed hard and won a few games through sheer desire. While desire is necessary, it is not always sufficient to win -- especially against other top teams. To take the next step and become a great team, the Buckeyes will need to significantly reduce the mental lapses and bad tackling, and capitalize more on the big play opportunities on offense. Miller's legs will open up running and passing lanes, but he has to develop better decision-making (when to run/throw) and accuracy to keep defenses honest. Through two years, he has around a 57% percentage over an average of 200 attempts per season. By comparison, Tebow consistently completed 66% of an average 310 attempts over 3 seasons; and Alex Smith completed 66% of an average 290 attempts over two seasons (under Meyer). Consequently, opposing defensive coordinators thought twice about cheating up the back 7, and often paid dearly when they did. That really wasn't so this year with our offense. Fortunately, we were still able to run the ball effectively in most games against the level of competition we faced. That competition will be exponentially better in whichever top bowl the Buckeyes play in next season.
This post was edited by TimBucktoo 18 months ago
Im BuckeyeDefense. Who needs Bell?
Coyoungin on twitter. Circular square movement.
To be fair, if you give Saban and Smart a month and half to prepare for Johnny Football as opposed to the week after a slugfest with LSU, I believe it would've been a similar outcome to last night. I mean, A&M held on for dear life in that game after going up 21-0 early. Very difficult to go undefeated in that conference when you're pretty much guaranteed to play at least 2 top 10 teams during the regular season. If you make the conference title game, you'll get another top 10 team in all likelihood. This is why the top shelf SEC teams don't feel the need to travel outside their region to play anybody. No other teams in the country are playing that many top 10-15 teams on their schedule. Most are lucky to have 1.
I'm just glad that Urban got a front row seat to the "beat down" of ND last night. I'm sure it was a reminder to him if he somehow forgot of what play is like in the SEC and what kind of team he needs to bring in order to compete for an NC. No more playing with "dignity and honor" like Tressel preached, this is about being "physical and intimidation and just beating the crap out of the opponent." IF you want to win an NC. I'm sure that it all came back to him what it is like in the SEC. Go bucks!
I just can't see that many young guys making up our defense.
We're talking about almost our entire d line being sophomores next year. Linebackers possibly having some freshman.
Now we want to throw a safety in the mix?
People are underestimating the jump from high school to college. I wouldn't expect many true freshman to be starting next year
Unfortunately not true if you mean the best SEC defenses (sure we're better than Vandy, Ark, Tenn). The 06 NC game showed that. We have never had the speed on the edges of the line that UF had that night. That was the difference too. The only elite defense we had was 02 and we won the NC but we won because of nasty not because of speed on the DL.
Alabama doesn't have great speed on the edges either. Their defensive line, like many of ours throughout the last decade, is comprised of excellent run stuffers. I see no elite pass rushers in that group.
2006 exposed our CBs inability to tackle and our extremely weak safety play. Big Ten offenses didn't (and still don't) have good enough QB play to exploit our awful safeties.....Florida did. But even more important than that, Florida exploited our terrible play from our tackles.
With that said, 2010 was elite. We had an unblockable d-line, very good corners, and solid safeties. We also had an "elite" defense in 2005.
Don't let an ass kicking of Notre Dame cloud your judgment. Virtually everyone in our defensive backfield got injured against Arkansas and we still managed to give up a meager 26 points. Texas was scoring 40+ points at will in 2008 and we gave up a meager 24 points.
No. Buckeye defense vs USC, Fla, and LSU got destroyed. I would like to have southern recruits. Thank you, Urban for your nationwide recruiting.
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