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Wow, I just read an article that Massillon Washington's head coach Jason Hall said that Cincinnati football staff members will not be welcome back in his school as long as he is the coach there.
"For many years there was always a connection between the cities of Massillon and Cincinnati. That relationship was forged when Paul Brown bought the Cincinnati Bengals and endeared himself to the Queen City.
The relationship between the football programs at Washington High School and the University of Cincinnati has crumpled. Massillon football coach Jason Hall stopped short of declaring Bearcat football dead to him, but clearly he isn’t happy with the way Cincinnati’s new football coach is operating.
Massillon quarterback Kyle Kempt picked Cincinnati over Tennessee, West Virginia and Indiana because it plays in an FBS conference and the university’s engineering program. Kempt has a 4.4 grade-point average and is Washington High School’s top student.
However, when the Bearcats lost head coach Butch Jones to Tennessee and Tommy Tuberville took over, Kempt’s recruitment took a turn. Kempt either decommitted from Cincinnati or Tuberville pulled the offer Jones made to him.
It would seem the latter may be the case judging by Hall’s reaction.
“It was an ugly situation,” Hall said. “I think they thought he was going to go to Tennessee with Butch Jones and they offered another quarterback. But that wasn’t the case. Cincinnati will not be allowed back in Massillon on our campus as long as Jason Hall is in Massillon.”
It could be a big mistake by Tuberville. He came to Cincinnati from Texas Tech. Tuberville is a coach from the south and making his first head coaching stop in the Midwest.
Snubbing one of the top high school football programs in a new state probably isn’t the best way to start off a new career.
“We will find out,” Hall said. “I don’t know, but I do believe in conducting business the right way.”
Hall phoned Tuberville and spoke with him. After telling the new coach his staff would not be welcomed in Massillon, Hall spoke with Cincinnati’s athletic administration.
“They think it is a misunderstanding,” Hall said. “I got the political run-around. The way they came in conducting business, I’m not sure Kyle would have ended up going there anyway.”
“Kyle will land on his feet. Fortunately for him, he’s one of the top players in the state and people are interested. I know they could have used him in this all-star game I just attended.”
Hall traveled to Florida to watch Massillon defensive back and receiver Gareon Conley play in the Under Armor All-American game Friday night."
Wow, sounds like a horrible start to recruiting in Ohio for Tuberville. Also a nice jab at the poor QB play in the UA game by Conley's coach. Thoughts?
Are you shocked? This is the same Tubberville that ditched Texas Tech recruits at the dinner table to go to UC. He will burn bridges left and right in Ohio.
Did Jason Hall just use a third-person reference? Haha. It's pretty obvious Coach Hall takes himself too seriously if you ask me.
He even says himself there was probably some miscommunication and Tuberville was likely under the impression that Kempt was following Jones to Tennessee. So, which is it, Jason Hall? Was there honest miscommunication and Tuberville offered another QB (who accepted) because he thought he was going to lose Kempt to Tennessee? Or did something unscrupulous really happen here?
I'm not defending Tuberville and I think it's admirable that the Massilon coach is sticking up for his player but his decision would seem to be hurting future Massilon players who might be a good fit. If Team Urban isn't going to be so Ohio-focused in terms of recruiting, there aren't any non-MAC opportunities to play big time college football.
Seriously, what is up with High School coaches thinking they control someones recruitment? If I was the parent of a high school football player at Massillon that wanted to go to Cincinnati, I would tell Jason Hall to butt out. A family decision does not involve a high school football coach.
This further impresses me that urban came in with what? 15 or so commits? That probably weren't the kids he would go after at all.. And he honored their commitments
This post was edited by Firstclassbuck 18 months ago
Based on your comments I get the impression that Jason Hall may be a bit of tool? After all, the story is out there about Tuberville leaving recruits durng dinner in TX when he took the Cinnci job...so it seems you are giving the leeway to Tuberville and not Jason Hall in this instance. I have no knowledge or opinion...just really wondering if Jason Hall has a bad rap within your circles of recruiting? Is there any story here or am I off basis with my impressoin? Just wondering...
He sure did! I posit that if a CEO of a fortune 500 company can do it, why not Jason Hall?
This post was edited by brutusandwoody 18 months ago
If there was an issue with the QB, it should have been cleared up when they spoke.
Clearly, Tuberville didnt want the QB or else the offer would not have been pulled. Or if they were serious, they would have re-offered.
Kudos to the coach for sticking up for his player.
He appears to have his best interest. Clearly, by the way he spoke, the family is upset with Jones.
Sarah sorry about the Herpes.
Haha! Well played. But the difference is Diddy does it sarcastically ... while Jason Hall (I'm Jason Hall, dammit!) is being completely serious. What's strange is that he contradicts himself a bit and explains Tuberville's side of the story. I'm sure Tuberville would have even more to say on the matter.
Listen, I know Tuberville is slimy. But Hall comes across looking a bit foolish here IMO. I like him sticking up for his player, but he threw a bit of a hissy fit, referred to himself in the third person and is basically taking a decent option off the table for his future players. As others have mentioned, if OSU is not an option for Massillon kids -- and somewhere else in the Big Ten isn't an option -- UC can be a very good fit for Ohio recruits. Not far from home and you get to play in a BCS conference. Well, kind of on the latter. (I still think UC will end up in the ACC eventually though, along with UConn, especially if the Big Ten takes G-Tech and someone else.)
Then that is where the parents should step in and tell him to butt out and keep Cincinnati as an option.
It's possible, but since so much needs to go through the HS coach, UC/Tuberville might just say "Screw 'em" and not even bother recruiting Massillon players. That's called a lose/lose proposition for both sides.
I think UC's program isn't very good, but if my son had the choice between let's say UC or any MAC program, it would be an easy call. And the distance from home would be relatively the same depending on where you live in the state and what MAC program you were looking at in comparison to UC.
OK, I guess my question is why does anything need to go through the high school coach? Who is he to decide a kids future and not the kid or his parents? What if a parent is getting a hold of the UC coaches personally or vice versa? Why is a high school coach involved at all if the parents step in?
Dave - what does Hall mean by "not allowed at the school" and how does this impact recruitment. Obviously important but not impossible to recruit a kid without being at the school? Would Hall step in the way if a kid were being recruited or is he simply saying he isn't going to help in the process when it comes to Cincy?
Just off the top of my head:
1) Game film
2) Watching practices/scrimmages to get a better idea of kid's ability
3) Talking to Coaches, teachers about off-field aspects of a kid
4) There are what 500 (wild guess) teams in Ohio, a lot to manage...but nothing like trying to manage 3,000 or so parents (if you try to go around coaches).
He decommitted from Cincinnati thinking he had a spot at Tennessee. His brother went with jones as a graduate assistant to Tennessee. Now he wants his offer that another coach gave him to still be active. Sounds like coach got out a little ahead of his skis and now is someone else's fault.
FYI - the dinner thing was BS as well. Tubberville hadn't even been contacted by UC at that time and other kids at the dinner disagreed with the kid who threw a fit.
I get all that. But this coach is saying that he isn't going to let UC recruit Massillon. At what point is a coach stepping over the line into a situation that at the end of the day is none of his business? If a player wants to go to UC, who does the coach think he is tell say that they can't because they pulled a former QB's offer?
Getting banned from Massillon is no joke. If I were to come up with a list of the top five or six most important schools to recruit in Ohio, Massillon would be right up there. Its the alma mater of many Ohio State notables, including, among others, Chris Spielman, Paul Brown and current player Devin Smith.
Any college football coach who thinks he going to recruit Ohio while pissing on that relationship is out of his mind.
This post was edited by Deadpoet 18 months ago
Despite the huge error on tubby's part, it is a shame that a hs coach's arrogance will get in the way of some of his future players' careers by cutting off access to a strong instate d1 school. As much as I like having one less team to compete with for the kids from this school, I think the coach handled this completely inappropriately.
I saw that as well. Mr. Hall may find out that he is not as big as he thinks he is when he is sacrificing his kids possible future on the alter of his little bruised ego. There HAS to be more to this story. Coaches come and go all the time and recruits aren't always honored. Its normal. So why would this high school football coach get a bug up his behind on something that happens from time to time?
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