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Colin Cowherd was dead on today

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  • I think people forget a few points when we talk about paying athletes and how much the school makes. 1 - the schools make very little to nothing on the overall athletic program. 2 - no person has to agree to this contract. 3 - not only do the players get a free education and great networking but also 3-4 years of free training for the NFL from some of the greatest coaches in the world.

  • It's Cowherd's job to talk about it. He earned it. College football players will have earned what they eventually receive in the job market, and some of them in the NFL. All of that comes upon graduating or getting drafted. Nobody else gets paid before they have started the job. Football scholarships are part of the deal, not scholarships "and" pay.....

  • Fuck yourself.

    I have listened to him for a total of maybe 15 minutes in my life. I always think for myself, but was amazed that this guy hit the nail on the head like he did so get off your liberal soapbox and post in hot spot. This was not a political post at all, but turds like you always have to ruin something good.

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    I was in the Army (82nd Airborne ALL THE WAY!) until a few years ago, and you get a free education once you are out because of your service, along with a boatload of other benefits for life. I never have to worry about health insurance, I am using a VA loan to buy a house (no down payment, lower interest rates, no closing costs... etc..) and I have gotten two degrees and had everything paid for by the military, lol. So while I respect YOUR respect for the services... We are still only people who signed up for a "job" knowing full well the possible consequences and repercussions of signing your name on that line. There is no need for any more money to be funneled into the service from the NCAA... If they were going to take the money they make from players they need to funnel it into the shit public school system. The millions they profit from players could pay teachers salaries for years.... The children and our future are in more need of that money than the vets... Anyway, just two cents as a Veteran.

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  • What we should be pissed about is why the Fort Hood survivors have been denied military benefits due to the shooting being classified as a "workplace crime". WTF is that?? If that wasn't a blatant act of terrorism, I don't know what is. How about you? In the meantime, I think football players should be allowed to sign autographs after a game, with people paying up front to "get in line" then, the players should be able to split whatever was collected. Since players are not allowed to sell their own memorabilia are they allowed to have a "garage" or "yard" sale and make some money that way. What if Braxton has a yard sale and wants to sell his tv for a buck fifty and a "fan" wants to give him more? Is that against the rules? Just asking.

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  • Props to you man for saying tha! I thought the same, but felt like someone who served should say it! Flat feet 1982!

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  • If these kids want to get paid so badly and so deservedly so, then let them go straight to the league. They still need college football 100 fold more than college football needs them. Why is this so hard for the pay-the-players contingent to comprehend? If you want to ruin college football, make it a professional league.

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  • First, they cannot go straight to the league per NFL rules. If you want to make a living playing football you have to play three years in college. no other place to go. The NFL is a monopoly and it's sole feeder system is the NCAA.

    Second, I disagree on the idea that the kids need college football more than college football needs the kids. If D1 was all of a sudden filled with DII and DIII level players, it would not have as big of an audience. Less of an audience leads to lower TV ratings. Lower TV ratings means less money and that is the crux of the argument. The top tiered programs that everyone tunes in to watch rely on top level talent. You take the talent away, and no one watches. Take that same talent away and start a minor league football league in conjunction with the NFL and college football dies. They need each other.

    Finally, the people on the other side of the argument have a hard time understanding those who argue for the status quo. We are talking about a billion dollar industry where the talent is not paid. Think about that for a second. The Olympics has even changed their rules on amateurism. The people arguing for paying players are not making the institution of college football their priority. In fact, it's the exact opposite. The driving argument for them is based on ethics and fairness. That is what the O'bannon case is all about. The idea that student athletes hand over the rights to their own image is alarming to a lot of folks. That's why the question has been put to the legal litmus test. Do you even realize that while Braxton Miller cannot sell an autograph, his own school is selling his game used items at auctions to raise more funds for the athletic department. They literally have the equipment managers collect items from certain players, have them sign it, and the items end up at booster events in auctions.

    Gene Smith can say a million dollars per football player, but that is voodoo math. He's including football expenses which is inherently flawed for the student athlete because the student athlete would not be flying to Pasadena over the new year had he not been on the football team to begin with. In the real world that is just the cost of doing business. It's not considered a benefit or taxable income to the employee. The same can be said for the trainers and doctors. Those people are there to protect the investment of the school more so than out of the kindness of the school. It's about winning and money. Protect the talent so they can perform on the field and win. Win and get more eye balls on the TV. More eyeballs on the TV leads to $$$.

    So, we are left with the cost of tuition, room, and board. That is no different than what the cost is for every other college student. Now do a little reading on the value of a college degree, tuition inflation, and the education bubble. What you will discover is a growing number of economist that are starting to call out the post-secondary education system as a sham. For the first time in our history, and largely due to the past ten years recession, a college degree is generally not what it was once worth. People are graduating from college and are unable to find professional jobs. They find themselves working in retail and service industries at alarming rates. Those jobs that used to be held mostly by people with just high school diplomas.

    Now, I'm not suggesting that people not go to college. However, I when I talk to young people about school I tell them to be smart. If you are not sure what you are going to go into go to a community college for a few years. Save the money. It's a really bad idea to spend go into $40,000 of debt for two years of school only to realize in year three that you want to really go to a trade school and become an electrician.

    But back to my point, I think it is completely fair to question if the "value" of the scholarship translates dollar for dollar. The growing trend is that the cost of college is over inflated.

    Finally, in regards to OSU, realize that every single scholarship given out by the athletic department is paid for through the athletic endowment. Boosters like you and me over the years have given millions upon millions to help cover the cost of the athletes scholarships. It is all paid for with just the earnings from the various gifts and endowments that have been made over the years. And they are still collecting gifts. I can't tell you how many times a year OSU calls me and asks me to attend a luncheon for $2,000. Sometimes they try to entice you to go by, you guessed it, sitting you at the table with your favorite football player. Hmm, who's profiteering most of that player's image?

    I don't have the answer or even a good compromise. I understand the argument on both sides. I could just as easily pontificate and argue against the points I make here. its in my nature. But to say that the other side of the table can't comprehend the situation is short sighted and demonstrates the inability to understand beyond your own perception.

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  • Again, many people making these claims, players should not be paid, very few if any, played College Ball. My point, no one works harder then the Student Athlete.... Does the Student on a full ride for academics, have to put in 40 hrs a week in working out? Have to stay on campus year round? Have 110,000 people come to see them, paying $70 a tix? No. Can the full ride student on academics, have a job? Yes..... Is the amount of money they make limited? No......

    I am not saying the Student Athlete doesn't receive some pretty good perks, because they do. But without the S/A in Football, there would be a hell of a lot less millionaires. Paying the Athlete $5 per hr, would provide about $800 per month, for spending money, gas, dates, tats, hookers.... It will also teach them to budget..... Hooker next month, too much pot this month.

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  • They have tried to start other leagues. You're deluding yourself into thinking that these kids are bigger than college football. Furthermore, this is exactly how the professional league wants the system to be. They get a free minor league with which they are able to evaluate talent that has matured physically and mentally while the kids matriculate.

    The kids simply have no other choice. For every superstar there are dozens of prospects bordering on elite talent. Let the superstars try to make it in the league right out of high school. You forfeit any future claims to amateur status if you sign with an agent. Ergo no future scholarship. If you go college, three year commitment. You will see very little difference in talent level under such a system as you see now. These kids are getting paid. You mistake a paycheck for being sole compensation.

    Those same people screaming for players to be paid would never accept a college player making $1 million but some are actually worth that much. Most are barely worth the scholarship they receive. If you want the market to dictate a players worth, you will see the system cannibalize itself before your very eyes. It'll be funny to see the reaction when college football players are the some of the highest paid state employees. Good bye college athletics.

    The $2,000 will pale in comparison to what they're asking from donors under the scenario of paid players.

    Let the NFL establish a minor league and let college football exist as it is. We'll see which league lasts longer.