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I was listening to Cowherd during lunch today and he started talking about how the B1G made a mistake adding Maryland and Rutgers because it dilutes the product and lessens the number of regional rivalry games, etc. Of course, it is widely reported and discussed elsewhere and here that the driving reason behind the expansion are the DC/MD and NJ/NY television revenues for the BTN. I am certain he knows this but cannot be intellectually honest with his audience because to this day no one from ESPN can apparently mention the existence of the BTN. There are times I like him and times he must carry the ESPN water and it drives me crazy.
He is right about it diluting the product. In terms of intra-league competition, the addition of these two schools really offers nothing.
This has all the appearance of a money grab by Rutgers and MD....and as you correctly suppose, the TV BTN exposure in the nation's largest (although not for college football) media market.
Haha, I like it. The more the b10 expand. The harder it will be for them to ignore it.
on its face if you are an outsider this has to look bad for the b10. most popular, most prestigious, biggest $ making conference takes middle of the road acc and be teams. hes a radio host. not his job to dig deeper for the real reasons.
The media is only focused on the athletic part. They aren't looking at the financial part. Plus, when the money starts to roll in then these schools can hire better coaches.
Yep. I am sure Delaney, the presidents and board of regents and all the outside consulting groups that Maryland and Rutgers really value Colin Cowherd's opinion.
In fact, they could care less, like Cowherd is famous for and Mark May, the Big Ten has the whole media world talking about them right now. Touche, they are getting trapped in their own game.
"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons".
General Douglas MacArthur
I agree with him. Winning on the bottom line is not winning on the field. I don't know what OSU will be willing to do with the added revenue, but my guess is that it won't be much extra. Maybe add a new squash team? Instead the conference just added these teams:
Rutgers Big East finishes
2011 - T4
2010 - 8 (that is last by the way)
2009 - T4
2008 - T2
2007 - T5
Maryland ACC Finishes
2011 - T11
2010 - T2
2009 - 12 (that is last)
2008 - T5 (only 2 teams worse)
2007 - T8
Add in that no one is excited to go to any of these games. At least with Nebraska there was a history of success and tradition. I don't see that here. Both have 55k stadiums that are 80% full at games.
It could be worse, but I don't see how this helps OSU at all.
And the mother ship hates it!
Ha tell that to Minnesota and Purdue.
Rivalries are made, and I do not agree. MD BBall team is solid, often very good, and Rutgers has been very good in football for a long time.
IMO, not only are we getting the TV markets, but also recruiting pipelines, AND two pretty good programs. Oh, and the last time Rutgers played a Big Ten Football team, which was Illinois, Rutgers mopped the floor with them 33-0. So why don't we get down off our Big Ten high horses. They have been in bowls 6 out of the last 7 years and have won 5, only losing a close one by 5 points to Arizona State in 2005. Pretty @@@@@@@ impressive if you ask me.
2011- 9-4 and beat Iowa St in their Bowl game
2010-bad yr - 4-8
2009-9-4 beat UCF in their bowl game
2008-8-5 beat NC State in their bowl game
2007-8-5-beat Ball State in their bowl game
2006-11-2 beat Kan State in their bowl game
this yr 2-1 so far lost to KY by 3
2009-24-9 Lost to Mich State 2nd round
2008-21-14-lost to Memphis is 2nd round
2007-19-15 lost in 2nd round NIT
2006-25-9-lost to Butler in 2nd round
I think Rutgers could develop into a Wisconsin-esque football program. They're now the only team in the northeast that belongs to a premiere football conference (I'm talking Big Ten, Pac12, SEC, and Big 12). They're in an area that does have a good amount of football talent (New Jersey, Eastern PA, Maryland, northern Virginia), and now they can tell their recruits that they can not only stay close to home, but they'll get to play teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, and Penn State. I don't think it's a great addition (like Penn State and Nebraska were) but it has some potential.
It's business. When Sports "Journalists" start sharing opinions on things they don't understand (ie Business) they sound silly.
Delaney is being proactive !!
He is making the 1st move ....
now he waits to see what Slive and the SEC does ..... and what the Big 12 does....
then he makes his next move and goes to 16 teams ....
Coward, ESPN, and the rest of them are jealous !!!
I love the move of adding Rutgers and Maryland .... soon Georgia Tech and North Carolina to follow...
screw "regional matchups" .... those days are over ....
and what is the difference for Ohio State to play Minnesota, Illinois, and or Iowa compared to Rutgers, Maryland, etc ... nothing ....
Make no mistake about it though, this move is about money, they next move will likely combine money with increasing the depth within the conference. In my personal opinion, Maryland and Rutgers do add depth, as all three could probably beat the bottom dwellers of the B1G and will net some upsets over the top teams in down-years.
The move to add Maryland and Rutgers is mutually beneficial as financially programs get to balance their books, and the B1G and BTN get a foot in the door of multiple major markets. Also, adding Maryland, in particular, allows the B1G to extend its contiguous footprint into VA and then further south into Tennessee or North Carolina.
Additionally, the move is mutually exclusive among all the members as it brings in even more academic research money.
The B1G is playing chess, not checkers.
Bottom line it is race to control and have the most power/prestige/$$$$......gaining subscribers/revenue only continues to nip and bite and annoy ESPin from a TV market front.
This is just the start....more will come......What will Texas do when their failing Longhonrns network contract expires?? hmmmmm........
I have read other blogs of people talking about B1G potentially expanding to 20 teams and bringing on the likes of Florida St, Duke, UNC, Virginia.....all speculation but it will be interesting to see what happens next.
Not sure he is waiting to see what Slive does but I agree with most of what you said.
I wouldn't get caught up in the brands (ie Rutgers/Maryland).
Delaney is laying the foundation. A financial one. This is a Business and he is running it like one. Basically what people need to focus on is this...
The BIG will have the largest revenue stream of any conference. BIG members will make more than any other conference schools. Meaning when they go to add the final two members (if that is the target) how appealing with they be?
The BIG just became very, very attractive to a lot of schools. By the way, the BIG is also no longer a "Regional Conference" as ND would say. I would argue they are the most diverse conference now.
This post was edited by buckalum 20 months ago
Why do you guys listen to this D bag? Anything he says is the party line or does so for ratings. The funny thing is that he tells you that. He always talks about ratings and how his show is geared for it. Wake up.
He has a 3 hour show with only 45 minutes of actual content. Don't believe me, download his podcast. After every show you can download it on iTunes. It's between 45 mins and an hour long. So enjoy the commercials.
ESPN is garbage people. If it isn't a huge market they don't cover it. I barely watch it. I don't watch any of their shows like I use to. None of it covers any of the teams I follow, so why should I?
As I see it...The Big10 is just buying markets not school brands..Maryland and Rutgers are struggling football programs that are MAC school level (Rutgers maybe upper level MAC)..Pittsburgh is a better fit to the Big10 than Maryland...The Big10 has diluted it's product and lessened the number of regional rivalry games with the addition of Maryland and Rutgers
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Not even sure how to respond to this. Think business, not sports titles.
Ditto...it is a business.....plus this is not over yet.....It is not going to stop at Maryland and Rutgers.
It is about controlling/power/prestige/$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It will be very interesting to see how successful the Big10 brand will be the NY/NJ market..The NY/NJ market has 16 pro teams..NY/NJ are not college towns.
Since regional matchups don't matter.....what's the difference who OSU plays....$$ is the only thing that matters...then no OSU fan would be against us and TTUN...picking up and taking all our TV imprint and become the 15th and 16th teams of the SEC...how would that be?
I mean..if it meant OSU made 10M more than staying with the B1G....this would make sense..no?
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So people on here have ripped the Big East for years and now a team who has never won a conference championship and has finished above 4th in the conference once (soon to be twice) in the last five (now 6) years is a good pick up?
We all know and understand why this move was made, but it makes me laugh how people are trying to justify it as a good pick up on the field. This is a team that is middle of the Big East at best over the last 5 years and typically not in the top half. You would think that the Big Ten could pull in some better talent, but many of the schools have given up on being quality on the field and just like bragging about the money that they make through the media deals.
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