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D.Clark:"Tress wouldn't have let me go w/o speaking 2 me 1st

  • Any chance he might have had for getting back on the team is gone now, if there ever was a chance. I am surprised, though, that he wasn't suspended indefinitely to leave wiggle room. Oh well...roll on, urban!

  • gessig said... (original post)

    There's a right way to handle things. You want to fire someone, you look them in the eye and tell them they screwed up , and there's the door.

    That's not something I thought he would/should delegate. That's my opinion, and I'm stickin to it.

    I disagree. What is there to not understand about A.) him effing up the first time by using his pellet gun for target practice on PEOPLE and B.) Urban telling the team as a collective group if you f*ck up you are going to suffer the consequences. Then Clarke goes out THAT night and gets a DUI? It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know you're done. That is silly.

    I am tired of these kids needing their hands held 24/7. At some point these kids need to learn accountability and responsibility. Urban isn't going to do it and I commend him for that.

  • norsk said... (original post)

    Clarke is right. Tress probably would not have kicked him off the team. He probably would have given him another chance. Tressel was a forgiving guy (almost to a fault), and while in many ways I love that about him..if Tressel would have laid down the law and been a bit more strict on these young men, he would probably still have his job right now.

    The fact is, when these young men get a privilege like receiving a scholarship to play football at tOSU, it is up to them to keep up their end of the deal. Unfortunately, Dominic made some pretty big mistakes at very bad times; both when his team is under intense scrutiny, and when should have been trying his best to make a good impression on his new head coach. If this would have happened a year or two into Meyer's tenure, after he had got to know Clarke, maybe things turn out differently. We will never know. If you want to make the correlation to a work-place environment, most employees would be trying their best to give a good impression to their new boss.

    I'm not going to get any more in depth into how it was handled by Coach Meyer, because I don't know all the details. I am in no way condemning or judging the young man either. Clarke, like all of us is human. We make mistakes, and all that he can do now is try and learn from this and be a stronger human being because of it. An athlete like him will no doubt get other chances to play football and receive an education, if he works hard and keeps his head on straight. I know I will be rooting for him in his next stage; once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye.

    And that's all I have to say about that.

    Delete 'almost' from your parenthetical comment and I totally agree.

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  • This is exactly the type of attitude that got tress fired in the first place. Everyone makes dumb mistakes, but c'mon son the day after you have the meeting about getting your shit together. Rule with the iron fist is what this program needs. Last year was an embarrassment and living on ohio/ meatchicken border ive had enough of all this bullshit scum fans.

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  • trigg03 said... (original post)

    IMHO...& this may or may not be a repeat of others opinions BUT...I assumed that Meyer had at the very least sat down with these 2 YOUNG men & discussed things prior to dismissing them from the team. By becoming judge & jury - it does not bid well for him in how he takes care of tOSU players///the backbone of the program. Just because they were not "his" players makes little difference. No doubt that punishments were deserved. To kick them to the curb is far more then harsh though. I have always had a very high opinion of Urban Meyer so please dont mistake this as a Meyer bashing. And I hate to sound like an arm chair QB BUT we are talking about the lives of 2 young men who may now be forever scared all because of a rush to judgement. I would have thought Meyer to have thought this through a lot more then it is APPEARING

    I was ok with you until you said "a rush to judgement".y

    A RUSH TO JUDGEMENT???????????????????????????????????????

    Are you serious???? There is no "rush" to judgement here. Clarke shot off a pellet gun (or paintball gun) near a campus restaurant. A cop could have confused that as a real gun and shot him dead. Then months later, immediately after he just got a speech from his new coach and after all of the turmoil we have been facing, he goes out and irresponsibly drives drunk putting his life and the lives of others in danger, and gets arrested again. After everything we've been through, while we were going through it, this young man cared little about the repercussions and had two PUBLIC instances of team rules violations immediately after the other. And you say "rush to judgement"??????????????????

    Back to your point... What is Meyer going to tell him? What is he going to tell Meyer? What good would come of it? How is Clarke getting an opportunity to plead his case going to help this young man in the future? You're worried about these young men being scarred. Thats prett weak. I hope these young men are scarred for life. I hope they remember for the rest of their lives the repercussions for their irresponsible and criminal actions. and it hope it makes them better men. We've all screwed up. I've screwed up. And normal people pay dearly for it. So should they. You're worried about them being scarred. Thats whats going to get them in trouble again. They need to be scarred. Just like Irizarry and Guilford needed to be scarred. Just like Clarrett needed to be scarred.

    You say to "kick them to the curb is far more then harsh". You're killing me here... What do you think was the right thing to do? Do you think Clarke deserved to still be a member of this football team?

    Urban not only did the right thing, he decided he wasn't going to be a pussy and hold these kids hands. Life doesn't work that way. Obviously they weren't getting the message. The best thing for these kids is kicking them off the team. The choice is theirs now. Do they want to learn from it, or continue. Time to grow up.

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  • Don't make stupid decisions. He put his own self in the situation. Right after Meyers meeting and then he screws up again. I don't blame Meyer.

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  • playmea said... (original post)

    I was ok with you until you said "a rush to judgement".y

    A RUSH TO JUDGEMENT???????????????????????????????????????

    Are you serious???? There is no "rush" to judgement here. Clarke shot off a pellet gun (or paintball gun) near a campus restaurant. A cop could have confused that as a real gun and shot him dead. Then months later, immediately after he just got a speech from his new coach and after all of the turmoil we have been facing, he goes out and irresponsibly drives drunk putting his life and the lives of others in danger, and gets arrested again. After everything we've been through, while we were going through it, this young man cared little about the repercussions and had two PUBLIC instances of team rules violations immediately after the other. And you say "rush to judgement"??????????????????

    Back to your point... What is Meyer going to tell him? What is he going to tell Meyer? What good would come of it? How is Clarke getting an opportunity to plead his case going to help this young man in the future? You're worried about these young men being scarred. Thats prett weak. I hope these young men are scarred for life. I hope they remember for the rest of their lives the repercussions for their irresponsible and criminal actions. and it hope it makes them better men. We've all screwed up. I've screwed up. And normal people pay dearly for it. So should they. You're worried about them being scarred. Thats whats going to get them in trouble again. They need to be scarred. Just like Irizarry and Guilford needed to be scarred. Just like Clarrett needed to be scarred.

    You say to "kick them to the curb is far more then harsh". You're killing me here... What do you think was the right thing to do? Do you think Clarke deserved to still be a member of this football team?

    Urban not only did the right thing, he decided he wasn't going to be a pussy and hold these kids hands. Life doesn't work that way. Obviously they weren't getting the message. The best thing for these kids is kicking them off the team. The choice is theirs now. Do they want to learn from it, or continue. Time to grow up.

    i am in no way condoning driving under the influence BUT from the initial report that i read - he did not even register over the legal limit - but was charged none the less. If i were his attorney the kid walks away scott free...
    & if im Urban Meyer - i wait till the legal process has been fulfilled before i hand out my punishments.

    what i meant by Meyer not giving the kid a chance to talk to him...i assumed that he had sat down with him & wasnt pleased with the attitude or whatever - thus the dismissal

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  • TEXMEX Buckeye said... (original post)

    When a new boss takes over you never do anything that would bring attention in a bad way on yourself, especially after you had a team meeting and the rules were clearly laid out.

    He messed up and Urban isn't going to handle things like Tress did, the team needs to understand this and the quicker the better.

    +1. Exactly!

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    At the risk of sounding like a harda$$, I got an idea, lets keep all the slow, fat, lazy, immature, egotistical me type players, and see exactly what the NCAA WILL do about it. Really, while on probation, what CAN the NCAA do to us? Wouldn't we really want to be known as "Knucklehead U" ? I SURE AS HELL DON'T! The team was put on notice after the Gator Bowl. Urban (or anyone on staff) should NOT have to repete themselve(s). TOW THE LINE OR GET ON DOWN THE F*CKING ROAD. GROW THE F*CK UP!! NO SECOND CHANCES NEEDED OR NECESSARY.
    Again JMO

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  • So after the meeting, the off field rules were clearly set...
    So DC knowingly pounded booze, in clear defiance of Urb.
    He gets behind the wheel and could have killed my son.........

    DUI is a no tolerance offense......

    He got what he deserved......

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  • trigg03 said... (original post)

    i am in no way condoning driving under the influence BUT from the initial report that i read - he did not even register over the legal limit - but was charged none the less. If i were his attorney the kid walks away scott free... & if im Urban Meyer - i wait till the legal process has been fulfilled before i hand out my punishments.

    what i meant by Meyer not giving the kid a chance to talk to him...i assumed that he had sat down with him & wasnt pleased with the attitude or whatever - thus the dismissal

    He isn't 21 so there is no legal limit

  • Urban did the right thing. He won't take the fall for a kid's decisions like Tress did.

    Clark forced Urban's hand in screwing up the day after laid out the rules. Urban had to do this, or his rules mean nothing.

    You won't see Urban taking the fall for a player like JT did. All you have to do is look at what he did to Newton when he kept screwing up.

    He's the CEO and I have no problem with him delegating his decision out to an asst. coach. "Keeping it in center field" this time around will hopefully keep him in coaching longer.

  • gessig said... (original post)

    What do you folks make of this?

    ----------------------------------------------------Here is an exchange between him - and one of his friends:

    Michael McParland @Anonomouys69 14h @D_Clark3 Best of luck brorther. Sorry about this. I think Tress would have done ya better. Good luck man.

    Dominic Clarke @D_Clark3 @Anonomouys69 I know for a fact tress wouldn't have let me go without even speaking to me frst 9:52 PM - 16 Jan 12 via TwitBird

    Michael McParland @Anonomouys69 @D_Clark3 For sure. I miss Tress man. I'll take him over Urban any day. I truly wish you the best. Retweeted by Dominic Clarke 11:03 PM - 16 Jan 12 via web · Details

    Dominic Clarke @D_Clark3 @Anonomouys69 preach 2:19 AM - 17 Jan 12 via TwitBird

    -------------------------- https://twitter.com/#!/D_Clark3

    Is it: A.) Sour Grapes B.) Not the whole story C.) True

    I'm leaning toward "not the whole story", because this doesn't seem like how Urban would handle it. I'd think he'd never shy away from handling any situation man to man.

    What do you think? -

    EDIT: to say- if you want to view the exchange, you have to "open" the individual tweets on that linked page. But I've transferred them here with details intact.

    I think he's right, Tress would've held him around. However, knowing Tressel and his more forgiving nature he would've let Clarke get away with "too" much. The last time Tress overlooked and "hid" someone's bad behavior it cost him his job(i.e. Tat5).

    So with all due respect, considering what the tOSU family just went through I am ALL for slapping the shit out of players who think its okay to do dumb crap like get behind the wheel after having too much alcohol; oh yeah, and I have lost family member's to DUI pricks so I think Clarke got off easy by being dismissed on HIS second F-up!

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    trigg03 said... (original post)

    i am in no way condoning driving under the influence BUT from the initial report that i read - he did not even register over the legal limit - but was charged none the less. If i were his attorney the kid walks away scott free... & if im Urban Meyer - i wait till the legal process has been fulfilled before i hand out my punishments.

    what i meant by Meyer not giving the kid a chance to talk to him...i assumed that he had sat down with him & wasnt pleased with the attitude or whatever - thus the dismissal

    Isn't he underage?

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  • Only the guilty try to qualify their actions by saying it was 'handled wrong'! At the end of the day, UM was clear about his expectations and about what it would take to stay on HIS team. Rules (not to mention laws) were broken...and there are consequences!

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