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Where have you seen that FSU is closer to achieving AAU status than any other school in the country? Based on research dollars they are not one of the top.
Here are two articles I have read on it. FSU isn't even mentioned. So unless something has changed significantly I can't see it happening.
I'm not sure where the 2nd article got their info. 2009 data is the most recent I've found (here: http://mup.asu.edu/research_data.html).
In 2009, the top research schools were:
Top American Research Universities Research
x $1000" "2009
Private Johns Hopkins University 1,856,270 1,587,547
Public University of Michigan - Ann Arbor 1,007,198 636,216
Public University of Wisconsin - Madison 952,119 507,898
Public University of California - Los Angeles 889,995 467,505
Public University of California - San Diego 879,357 511,428
Private Duke University 805,021 438,767
Public University of Washington - Seattle 778,046 619,353
Public University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 740,980 390,602
Private Massachusetts Institute of Technology 736,102 532,618
Private University of Pennsylvania 726,768 499,498
For reference here is the B1G:
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor 1,007,198 636,216
University of Wisconsin - Madison 952,119 507,898
University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 740,980 390,602
Ohio State University - Columbus 716,461 339,820
Pennsylvania State University - University Park 663,204 386,635
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign 563,710 288,013
Northwestern University 515,229 300,619
Purdue University - West Lafayette 453,799 175,302
University of Maryland - College Park 409,190 246,985
Michigan State University 373,184 164,198
University of Iowa 329,901 252,336
Rutgers the State University of NJ - New Brunswick 320,416 151,122
Florida State University 195,244 117,294
Indiana University - Bloomington 156,966 78,498
Nebraska didn't make the list of top 75 or so on the list.
HUGE drop off after Rutgers (#12 of B1G). As you can see FSU ranked ahead of Indiana, but was roughly #70 overall.
Edit: UNC ranks right behind PSU. GaTech ranks right behind Illinois.
This post was edited by JarheadBuck 13 months ago
So if I read that correctly schools (like Cincinnati at 37 who is mentioned in both aricals but they will never get into the big ten) have significiantly higher research dollars. I have no idea what other criteria there are but it seems like there are a lot of schools much higher than fsu. If there is as much money in the aau as I think I have read here would football really lead fsu to jump the spots needed
And I know nothing about either article other than I googled who is next on aau. I just haven't seen fsu anywhere.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by shaunsimpson 13 months ago
That's the way I read it. Cincy is midway between Sparty and Iowa.
Other AAU factors are likely snobbery, who already captures research that existing members can tap, etc. The same goes for B1G, which is why UC is a non-starter for B1G expansion discussion.
I was dumbfounded that JohnsHopkins does 85% more research than the next closest school and gets 2.5 times as much Fed grant money than any other school.
"Leaders & Legends? Really? How about just name the divisions, Ohio State & everyone else." -Colin Cowherd
True, but I think that Cincinnati never getting a B1G invite has to do with more than just research dollars. I just about got lynched when I posted a thread about UC several months back.
Badger Alumni, Lifelong Buckeye.
Research dollars are literally one factor of several and even then they AAU is only concerned with federal research dollars not total research!
This means FSU is firmly ahead of AAU members like Kansas, Oregon, Iowa State, Indiana, Tulane and obviously many of the smaller schools like Brandeis.
Their lead indicator of phase II of AAU membership evaluation is USDA and Industrial research. Many schools can't even participate in this category as things like veterinary schools only exist at land grant institutions. Indiana and Kansas are comparable to FSU as a non-land grant AAU members.
The fact Wisconsin ranks ahead of OSU shows how much a veterinary program (at the agricultural level) can impact the total number of federal dollars. Again, federal research dollars are only one variable in the equation.
Other categories like Post Doctoral Degrees again puts FSU within the range of AAU schools outranking *Nebraska*, Kansas, Missouri, Colorado, and Iowa St. UC ranks lower than any of those schools despite being comparable sized in terms of total student population. (Which would essentially 'offset' there research $$$ advantage)
FSU by all the evaluated indicators (along with Virginia Tech) looks like one of the leading candidates for potential AAU membership. The key for many of these schools becomes tightening admission standards for undergraduates and becoming slightly more selective.
The key is familiarizing yourself with the standards of AAU membership evaluation first.
This post was edited by tembuck2 13 months ago
You're crazy. Hockey and Lacrosse are niche sports, nothing more. I am not saying they couldn't be fun, but they will never be more than that.
Agreed. Hockey would be bigger if it wasn't so expensive for kids to play. I always wanted to play hockey (other than street hockey with roller-blades) but it was simply too much money and time for my parents to commit to.
If a "city" school ever makes it into the B1G I buy you a steak dinner at Hyde Park.
Life as we know it will stop before UC gets into any one of the top 4 conferences.
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