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The youth program i played in had tryouts and cuts.
Sarah sorry about the Herpes.
I think schollies should be for 1 year at a time, not 4. If a player is not holding his bargain up, a coach shouldn't be punished for 4 years. Why keep bench warmers who'll never play when you can make room for 4-5 star players.
A coaches job is to win. If 5 players are tying up schollies, you should be able to clear room for players who'll contribute. College football is a business. What the SEC does is legal. There's no rules against their practices. And if there is, the NCAA is doing nothing to stop it. Until the field is made level between all leagues, the B1G should be allowed to over sign as well.
And I shall rejoice in victory for another 365 days over That School Up North.
Yes we should. There isn't a single guy on the team right now that couldn't transfer to a lesser program and play. They have the option to keep going to school if they choose as well. It's called real life, talent without effort gets you fired, and effort without talent gets you more slack but fired all the same. These kids at least still have plenty of options. The reality is College Football is a business now for better or worse, we can't expect to win if we willingly give our opponents a sustainable competitive advantage. The NCAAs clearly has no interest in addressing this so we do what me must. I do however wish they'd at least let the kids play right away if their scholarship isn't renewed.
Best definition I have seen from anyone
It's not a debate. It's reality.
I am a realist. If the Sec west is allowed to play with the numbers, than the rest of college football should allowed to play with the numbers.
Of course I am a LSU fan. I have no problem with oversigning, attrition, processing. We have a former 5* DT going to Tulane this year who just never panned out for us. We have a 4* QB leaving this off-season who just never fit the system. These guys know that they have to live up to their end of the bargain on the field or they will be elsewhere. They are 18/19/20/21 year old adults. This happens in the world every day with adults the same age being fired or let go from their jobs when they are not doing it up to a certain standard. How is this any different? When it comes to injuries I do not agree with processing a kid and I think the University should honor their scholarship. We had this happen with a guy a few years ago and he never lost his scholly because he got hurt.
I dream of a day when chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned.
Thinks for bringing in the perspective of fan from a team that does over sign.
"Dorsey...under pressure...throws iiiiiit. Incomplete. The Buckeyes win!" - Keith Jackson
Not sure if to say thanks or fvck you dirt
as my spelling may be bad the post was sincere.
I must say, some of our fans are not the sharpest tools in the shed. But I guess every school has them.
And TressFan, thanks for the video. One of my all time favorite movies.
50 years from now people aren't going to remember oversigning, just that bama was apparently good
The problem isn't over signing. The problem is the kids who get "cut" end up with nowhere to go because its too late. Its no fault of theirs.
"The only thing That Team Up North will be tasting this year is the salty tears of defeat" - UFM
I don't like the practice of oversigning or at least not more than a few players per normal 'uninfluenced' attrition. I hope the NCAA addresses it, but it doesn't even seem to be on their menu. Perhaps let no more than 5 early enrollees count toward the previous class which would limit signees in a given period to 30. Perhaps limit the number of signees in a 4 year period to 100. Anyway, we need an even playing field whatever the restrictions are.
Unfortunately if the NCAA does nothing, oversigning it may be the only way to realistically compete for NCs.
It's similar to the position Lance Armstrong was in...
if all athletes are clean he wins the Tour de France 7 times
if all athletes are allowed to used some performance enhancing drugs he wins the Tour de France 7 times
Given that the other top riders of his day were all using, if he stays clean he's some guy few of us heard of who competed in the Tour de France numerous times.
Not trying to justify what he did just saying you put people in a difficult situation if the system is rigged to favor those with lower ethical standards.
Almost every B1G school could and would begin oversigning IMMEDIATELY the minute the B1G conference actually allowed it. Since the practice is not allowed in the B1G, this is moot.
Being on NCAA probation wouldn't matter in the least. Because the NCAA seriously doesn't care.
The reason we moved to a 4 year scholarship was to offer a more desirable option to prospective SA's in order to compete with SEC oversigning. Whether that 4 year offer actually ever ends up having the same value remains to be seen and is technically irrelevant as long as the SA believes so when they commit.
I think SA's need to learn about real life. I think they are sheltered from many realities and their behavior and sense of entitlement often reflects this. I think some of the practice of oversigning further enhances competition. SA's are no longer fighting for just a spot on the 2 deep. They are also fighting just to remain on the roster. I think this is paramount to the lessons these young men should be learning about the real world while in college. Therefore, I have no problem with the harsh nature of oversigning.
However, there are repercussions. Coaching staffs who abuse this should be prepared to deal with high school programs who will deter their SA's from them.
But back to the original point, it matter not. Because OSU cannot start oversigning. Even if we wanted to. We cannot. Because it isn't an OSU rule. It's a B1G rule. Therefore until the B1G changes the rule, this entire thing is moot.
I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters.
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
It's college athletics, which is amateur sports. Even at top programs, how many players go to the NFL? Maybe 25%. Overall, these are still educational institutions first. When a recruit is offered an athletic scholarship they are asked to represent the school in the classroom, on the athletic field and in society. If it becomes more about football than the school, then just make it a minor league system. Coaches ask these players to be part of their university and team.....not to come and try out for team.
A student on an athletic scholarship has to maintain their grades and stay eligible as well all things that come with playing their sport....its just not about the sport. If this was just about sports, then over sign all you want, make cuts and do whatever needed.
You are allowed to oversign in the Big Ten - by 3. And by that, I mean they can sign enough freshman to take them up to 88 scholarships on signing day. In 1956, the Big Ten banned oversigning entirely. In 2002, the rule was changed so that teams could oversign by 3 to make up for natural attrition. Teams were finding that if they had 65 guys returning and brought 20 freshman in, by the time they hit the season, they'd be down to 80-82 players because of transfers, medical hardships, etc. So the Big Ten changed the rule.
That's why the SEC rules are ineffective - they deal with the 25 per year limit, NOT the 85 limit. If you had 85 scholarship players and no seniors, you could still sign 25 incoming freshman. In the Big Ten, you could only sign 3 to take you to 88.
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