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Lebron was going to take a 5 year deal 100 million agreement. Brooklyn couldn't even afford to pay Howard 10 million a year. It would be dumb to leave THE LAKERS to take a severe pay cut in Brooklyn. This isn't going from Cle to Mia. He would be leaving the Lakers. I can't see him taking that severe of a pay cut.
Heat definitely can't sign him. They only have room for veterans minimum. clippers are gonna have to renew Chris Paul and Blake. Once again, I can't see him taking a 5 million deal.
We'll see, I say the odds are more like 89% he stays. Money talks and Lakers are the only major market who can afford him.
LeBron gets hammered all the time, but they aren't called. He's so strong the refs think the blatant fouls don't affect him. And usually they don't, but that doesn't mean they weren't fouls. You can't dwell on every non-called foul. If that was the case, LeBron would live on the line - like Jordan.
You have to be in position to flop.
Dwight has not exhibited too many things that would support him being smart.
What is your call on the Lakers coaching situation in the future.
Don't know mane.. This group loss with Mike Brown and were swept out the playoffs under Phil by OKC so it's hard to definitely say Dantoni is the problem.
With that said, we have to make the offs. If not, we gotta make that move and let Howard/Kobe pick a guy along with Buss and Kupcheck.
As a nba league pass holder, I've been sick watching this bullshit.
....I would rather have both
I think there is a better chance of Bell commiting to OSU than LeBone coming back to Cleveland. And I put Vonn at 10%. I hope Im wrong on Bell. Could care less what happens to James. There is no repairing my heart being ripped out by LBJ. None.
I will take Lebron, and it isn't even close! He is the greatest athlete I have ever seen in my life. I think putting Durant against him would be a better comparison. Lebron is still better, but if you get to keep whoever you pick for the rest of their NBA career, I could see a legit argument. Durant is 4 years younger, and played a year of college that Lebron didn't have to. He also has more of a finesse game than Lebron, so he hasn't been beat up as much. Although, Lebron probably had the better body to take the abuse. Anyway, I could see Durant playing 5 more years after Lebron retires. Suppose Lebron plays 6-8 more years, that gives you a lot more time with Durant (about an additional 71% more time if you figure Lebron plays 7 more years and Durant retires 5 years after that). It also gives you more peak years. Kyrie isn't elite! He is very good, but he can't carry a team to a Championship like Durant or Lebron.
If Bron came back and played with Kyrie. He would bring Cleveland home at least two titles.
He's the closest and only hope of Cle getting a title in any sport.
I've often said the same thing. What if LeBron decided to compete in track. He would have to shorten his stride to run the high hurdles. Think he couldn't throw the discus a mile? How about anchoring the 4X100 with a running start. And it is well known he was a very good WR in high school. Does anyone believe he could be stopped in the NFL? Tennis? Golf? Soccer? Goalie? Etc., etc.
Of course he would need to concentrate on whatever he tried, but I wouldn't bet against him. Jordan failed in his little ventures because he wasn't the athlete LeBron is.
It's not even close....everybody would pick LBJ, aside from bad feelings and the denials that result from those feelings.
"Your Mouth Keeps Signing Checks that Your Body Can't Cash"
LBJ every day of the week and twice on Sunday...no point guard has put an NBA team on his back and led them to a title in a LONG time...Isaiha Thomas maybe? but he had ALOT of help...Iverson got Philly there but did not win...others ?
It depresses me that so few people understand the bigger crime that this dickhead committed.
He knew he was heading to Miami many years ago. If all that you can do is understand this one simple truth, then it shouldn't be hard to believe that it's extremely difficult to have your heart into a playoff series on a team that you know you won't be playing for after the season ends.
In february of this season, Reggie Miller said that he would be playing for the Miami Heat next year. At that time, it was all about the cavs and Knicks. "Mark my words, he said".
Anyone who watched the Boston series closely, or at least paid some attention, saw several turnovers from LeBron James that you would have never seen before this series - Turnovers at crucial moments with passes that were very easy to pick.
In game two of this series, less than two minutes into the game, Paul Pierce already had one fibul. On Cleveland's next possession, LeBron had Paul Pierce posted within 6 feet of the rim. With the 24 second clock ticking down, he took one dribble, spun to the middle leaping away from Paul Pierce before throwing a pass to the far opposite corner forcing his teammate to chuck up a defended trey. This particular anecdote is probably the most suspicious of them all, and this is saying a whole heck of a lot. He did exactly what you would expect on this play if his intention was to keep Boston's best scorer on the court for the remainder of q1 with the cavs already up 1-0 in the series. He didn't pump fake and lean in. He didn't even lean it. He didn't even jump straight up. He didn't even shoot it. He leaped as if on a pogo stick away from Paul Pierce. Why?
A few games later, as Wade pointed out, he had a triple double. The untold crazy part is that he was one number short of a quadruple double. That one number was a 9 in the turnover column. Having seen all but roughly 7 of his over 500 games in Cleveland via DVR, and having examined his stats, I know this is a freakish number especially for such a huge game, and I know that many of them came at key moments and that many of them were very easy picks.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. He threw a series. A handful of people realize it, I suspect, but the press is also the marketing machine for the nba. There's no financial upside to investigating it further. To the contrary, this is one big mess best left unreported
If ANYONE has tape of game 2 and the tape if his triple double, I'll pay $50 for each of them. I'd pay another $25 for each of the other games, I'd like to post some of these clips.
So, you don't like that he left Cleveland and the way he did it? Personally, I can't even get around to thinking about such things.
His cavs went from darlings to dogs within one playoff series that he orchestrated. Heading into this series, the cavs had just done something that only three other teams had ever done in the regular-season. They had led the NBA in wins with over 60 in 2 straight seasons.
Heading into this series, a one dollar bet on the Cleveland Cavaliers would've paid ia measly ~dollar and three cents. A one dollar bet on all of the seven remaining teams would've paid just a little bit less than this. (The odds heading into round two of the playoffs for this season are still available to look at the a Google search).
This team has been improving faster than any team in the NBA for several straight years. Multiple titles could have been won in Cleveland even based on the baseless assumption that Ferry and Gilbert were done improving it and that the appeal of winning rings and playing alongside lbj wouldn't have attracted increasing better talent.
The shithead knew after his first Olympic appearance and meetings with the son of the owner of the Heat that he would buddy up with Wade in Miami after his 3 year extension in Cleveland, which came later, expired ... Oh yes, that's right, he didn't sign a 7 year extension in Cleveland. Neither did Wade or Bosh with their teams after their same sophomore seasons. What a coincidence. What are the odds? He risked something like 70 million dollars of guarantees money to sign for 3 rather than 7 years. What for? Seriously now, did it matter that he maybe could get 22 million a year rather than 20 million a year if he waited to sign a long term deal (and risked injury ?). What a coincidence, all this bullshit, huh?
So, Irving or James? I'll take Irving.
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Love Kyrie, Definitely going to be a top 3 pg but LeBron is the best player in the world. I'm a HUGE cavs fan but I would take LeBron back in a second. Cleveland did get screwed but I would still want the best player in the world on my team regardless of what a douche he is.
Kyrie will be a superstar, but he won't be on Bron's level, ever.
We may have lost the battle......but not the war.
What he said.
LeBron is a Buckeye, also.
Get carried away much? He is a great basketball player.
12-32 is not even close to the record with Lenbron. This thread is rediculous.
Kyrie really isn't comparable to LeBron. I'm a Cavs fan, and people want to think that he is, but that's nonsense.
Shaun check your PM. I need to get an update from you.
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Lebron is the best in the NBA right now but the best evers a bit of a stretch. As for Kyrie leading the Cavs to a Finals, the kids 19. Lebron was not the player he is now at 19.
+ 1 for being "that guy." What a great reflection of the heartache of fandom. He recalls specific meaningless plays years after the fact. I love it!
Now, you're totally insane for preferring Kyrie to Bron, but judging by your post I'm sure your sanity left years ago (at least as it relates to sports).
If Howard does't get his back worked out Howard won't be in LA next year. Kyrie is a really good player with a nice future and good upside. Lebron is a once in a generation talent currently best in the game by a pretty big margin. I hate LBJ, but there will be several other players with similar talent/performance as Kyrie in the next 10 years, but there will be one Lebron.
LeBron will be coming back, if he wants a chance at being considered the GOAT of the NBA.
Spoken like a true ignoramus. Fwliw to sich a confident gullible fool such as yourself, I made the same statements for the first time one week before he officially made public what he new for years - before morons like you knew he was Miami bound.
Fandom is a lbj fan - like you, like those who know about as much as espn will share with them - who find it too painful to believe that their manlove tanked a series.
"Random plays", you call them as you shoot from the hip - yes, just like OJ's random foot print.
Let me ask you something, though, that requires no recollection of something you know little about (the Boston series and his career in Cleveland) - Do you respect Reggie Miller's inside info? How do you explain what he said at halftime of a cavs game 4 months before "The Decision" was made public? How did he know? Miami? People laughed at him. And if he Reggie was right - if he already knew what was going to happen in feb of that season - what would you say is the minimal impact this would have on lbj's efforts and desires in the playoffs?
What would his argument to win multiple titles sound like if he had just won one in Cleveland? What would it have looked like if the Cavs had dominated the celts in this series, as the smart money overwhelming projected, and like they had during the regular season?
Why did he do something that very few people in their right mind would ever do - why did he pass on roughly 20 mil per year for 7 years to instead accept much less for 3 years? What do you think of the fact that bosh and wade did the same? 3 amigos all make the same strange decision all at the same time. It's only fandom and gullibility that could lead one to think this was just some arbitrary freakish stroke of evidents.
One's diminishing ability to remember the fraud of that series doesn't matter with regards to Miller's statements, lbj's meetings with Miami's ownership several years before he became an unrestricted FA, etc.
Be the fan that you are or take a closer look.
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