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my 55 inch mitsubishi plasma is a great tv, but it is also 100 pounds.
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That's pretty damn heavy. Many that are new are around 50-60 lbs for the same size range.
Plasma TVs on average have a short life span. So unless you want to roll the dice, get a LCD.
They are susceptable to screen burn, over heating, fan noise, pixelation, and a much higher power usage which leads to a higher power bill if your TV runs long periods of time.
In recent years it was close to call between plasma and LCDs but with the improved technology recently with backlit LCDs, Plasma TVs are now a clear second place.
LED based LCDs are THE best HDTV on the market today period.
Here is an objective factual article that explains why Plasma TVs are not as good anymore.
For a long time, it was tough to call, but today's rapidly evolving technologies have made it easier to crown a winner in the HDTV display wars.
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I'm about to pull the trigger on a Panasonic TC-P50ST50.... a plasma... I don't have a lot of natural light in the room... and I have wide viewing angles.... so plasma suits my needs...
I have a pioneer plasma right now... about 7-8 years old and picture is still great
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You probably bought an older model or one that back lights with CCFL rather than LED.
The newer higher end LCDs do not do that.
LCD TVs back lit with LED are THE industry standard for high end televisions. The command a higher price than plasmas because they are simply better and a higher quality TV. So to answer your question of PLasma or LCD......its what you can afford. If you want the best then get a LCD. If you want to save money then get a plasma.
@Slim You don't need a plasma for dark rooms anymore. LCDs backlit with LED are fine anywhere. Just make sure its LED and not CCFL.
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Yeah i have a brand new one and the picture is brilliant no matter what i am watching.
I have 6 Panasonic plasmas in my home. Never had any issue at all.
I have old models and new, smart and not smart.
Several of my rooms get big time light but only during the afternoon when usually no one is watching. I only have viewing issues if the tv is in direct exposure. Other than that it works great plus Plasma has the best viewing angle of any of them.
All my electronics are Panasonic and I have never had any equipment issue other than child induced (phone in toilet by 2 year old)
See the LED tv we got was brand new. Like I said we just swapped it for the panisonic smart 3D tv that is plasma. We watched it all night last night and it didn't seem to over heat or anything like that I even felt it
We are on the same page i just want my damn 1080p
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I'm still all about the DLP. It's not flat, but it's only about a foot or so thick for a 60". It doesn't quite match up to a plasma under ideal conditions, but it's damn good and is perfect with motion in gaming or sports. The technology doesn't have the same challenges in that regard.
I'm not completely up to date on televisions at the moment as I haven't been in the market recently, but I do have a little bit of professional experience. For the television trucks that the sports networks use we install LCD monitors. They're professional grade, but for the production room every truck I've worked on has used LCDs for the past 7 years.
I've gotten to see a few small professional grade OLED monitors in the past year or so and those are pretty cool. I can't wait until the technology for OLED is developed enough to really be ready for consumers.
For me the biggest issue I have with Plasma is the degradation over time. I can deal with the other factors such as ambient light, weight and energy/heat. Installing it securely wouldn't be a problem, one of my specializations at work is monitor mounting.
Here's the way I look at it....You can get a kickass 51" Samsung plasma for $699 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+51%26%2334%3B+Class+-+Plasma+-+1080p+-+600Hz+-+Smart+-+3D+-+HDTV/4846783.p?id=1218551143252&skuId=4846783 that has 600hz, smart-internet, 3D, 3 HDMI's, and a contrast ratio probably over 5M:1...and it weighs 48 pounds (so does many LED's). It costs about $2-3 a month in energy at 5 hours a day on average. The TV your article said surpassed Plasma's costs $6k. See my post at the end of the last page, if you don't have a ton of light or if you want a home theater feel in a dark room, get the Plasma. No LED at $700-800 can produce anywhere near a better picture in those settings. Burns only happen if you pause a game or a movie and leave it there for hours. They get warm but not as much as some people make it out to be, but it's not like you realize it..I mean, how often are you ever touching your TV? Plasma's do in fact have a shorter life than an LED but with the cost savings of buying one that will last you long enough before you're craving the newest, best, and most affordable technology it's worth it. I'm buying a Plasma soon cause it's the best deal for the room I have for it. It would take you 10 years or more to make up the energy cost difference in a comparable LED without the same picture vs a plasma. When OLED's become cost efficient to buy one, I'll be all over that, about the same time I'm tired of the plasma.
and for the people new to HDMI, do not buy an HDMI cable from a store, buy from the internet. So much cheaper.
This post was edited by McBrutus 14 months ago
DLP's have a nice picture but you can't view them well anywhere but at eye angle in front of the TV. You'll never see one in a bar. Mitsubishi is one of the few companies that make them anymore.
That's true, but they weren't designed for that. You never see any kind of rear projection in a bar, they take up too much space and aren't built for being hung. The horizontal viewing angle is plenty good for in my house, the walls of the room limit the viewing angle before the picture of the TV does.
I know they went out of style though. Everyone has gone to flat screens now days, even if they're putting them on a stand. I have a Mitsubishi that I love and is amazing for the price.
As far as picture it's great, but a plasma kills it on contrast ratio. That's the one area the technology just can't come close, but it's still pretty good.
I second not buying HDMI cables in stores, and in fact you should pretty much never buy any cables in stores. These big retail electronics chains price competitively on the big items to keep you coming through the door, and then make their profit on the install accessories. An HDMI cable in store can literally be 5-10 times the cost of finding it online. I've heard of salesmen strong arming about the warranty too. My friend a few years ago got duped because the guy said the warranty on the TV is only valid if you use the Monster HDMI cable. Don't listen to any crap like that or warnings that what you buy online is inferior.
Both are good choices but there are some caveats...
Plasmas overall have a better picture quality than any other type of TV due to their True Blacks. It is still unmatched. Don't be fooled by what you see in the large super stores. Go ask the tech heads working there what they have in their houses.
That said, LEDs have closed the gap some and if you have a room full of windows you want LED. Reflection is an issue for Plasma. Where plasmas are a no brainer are basements. Best picture in the perfect room. Also more bang for your buck imo.
LEDs also use slightly less power and are a bit lighter to mount but both are not real big deals. I own one of each and have done a ton of research. My LED is in my great room which is solid windows and has glare while my basement has a plasma. The plasma has a better picture but I would not want it in my great room.
By the way. Anyone that says plasmas have a short life span, have screen burn or that "LCDs" should even be considered are giving you really, really bad advice. Use this thing called google.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by buckalum 14 months ago
There are certainly a lot of opinions on here regarding LCD/LED/Plasma. I outfitted my basement with a 65" plasma two years ago. It was the top of the line Panasonic with 3D. Personally, I think it crushes any other tv I saw. Many people who have made the argument regarding LEDor LCD being better than plasma are simply not being honest or they are merely uninformed. The ONLY issue with plasma is highly lighted areas, and I believe they have largely rectified this with anti-reflective screens. Please go and talk to ANY AV specialist in a specialty store and they will ALL have a plasma. Also, the burn in issue is largely garbage. It would have to be kept on for hours. Furthermore, the motion issues are very real. The plasmas are 600hz refresh rate, but those are actual rates. The way the LCD and LED accomplish 240hz refresh rates is smoke and mirrors. Basically you Ned to think of a football being zinged across your screen. The plasma samples each and every image it detects and projects an unfettered image across the screen. The LCD and LED tvs basically sample at the rate they can. Like 60hz and they fill in the blanks with images that are copies of the images that they can actually detect. So it looks bizarre and animated at times. Either way, go for plasma unless light is a major issue.
I don't see where anyone here has said anything about Plasmas having screen burn. But I will say that telling anyone that plasmas don't begin to deteriorate the minute you start watching the TV is awful advice.
Plasmas absolutely, 100%, no doubt, begin deteriorating immediately. The question is the life span. Manufacturers have been claiming that new technology has lengthened the half life of the devices. But the claims are estimates. The reality is, after the first year you will have less brightness in your plasma although you may not notice after only one year. By year five, the brightness on your plasma can be around the same or worse than an LCD depending on manufacturer, quality, how often you use and when you bought.
The numbers depend on how much you use the TV. When you turn on your plasma you are igniting phosphors. These gases in your TV don't last forever. Even if you don't frequently use the TV, it will absolutely deteriorate over time. If the TV isn't on all the time, then you can extend the life of it.
I don't buy plasmas simply because I know thats a TV that technology is simply cancelling out. It has the best picture. There is no argument. But its getting to the point where LED's aren't far off. But LED's are simply more efficient, more adaptable and more convenient.
Regardless, bad advice is trying to convince someone that plasmas don't deteriorate over time. They absolutely do. But it depends on how much you use it and how long you keep it. Chances are, if you bought a plasma in the early to mid 2000's and that has been your primary TV ever since, that TV is no better than an LCD at this point.
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While I agree with your sentiment, many people likely replace tvs before their life is up, particularly with 4K on the horizon. I absolutely thought about this when buying, but I thought it a non-issue because I would likely replace my tv in 10 years.
Thats the buyers decision to make though. I have no problem with an informed purchase. My issue was challenging misinformation.
I won't buy plasmas because I keep a BUNCH of TV's in my house and I don't plan on replacing each of them every five years. The TV tech cycle isn't as short as computers. You should be able to easily get a decade out of a good TV. I believe you can with LED's and not with Plasmas. But if you're prepared for that expense, then more power to you. I keep six TV's in the house and its just not worth it to me.
Maybe you should read about 3-5 posts up from yours.
I think the contention that a plasma WON'T last 10 years and be visually everything that a LCD or LED is, is patently untrue
I understand high end plasma monitors such as the Pioneer Kuru Elite have a 100,000 hour lifespan to half-life for a plasma TV...100,000 hour life to half-life was explained to me as... that after 100,000 hours the picture begins to fade..
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I never said a plasma won't last 10 years. But I did suggest that in 10 years my plasma purchase will seem less valuable long term versus an LED purchase.
I guarantee you that in 10 years a plasma will no longer be better than an LED. The brightness on a plasma, even the newer models, reduces by 5% in the first year alone. Depending on usage, in ten years you could be looking at a DRAMATIC reduction.
No way in hell, over a ten year period, is a plasma better than an LED. At best 1/3 of the phosphors will have deteriorated. While the LED will be exactly the same. There is no deterioration. It's exactly the same brightness it was when you bought it.
No offense, bro, but when I hear "I guarantee" or "No way in hell" I start to think things aren't rooted in reality. It's pretty clear if you do research that plasma tvs have gotten much better in terms of longevity and while there is certainly by definition plasma tvs deteriorate over time, I haven't heard an argument yet rooted in reality or empirical evidence that suggest LCD or LED is better than plasma
So using these numbers it will take 12 years of viewing my plasma tv all 24 hours of every day to begin to see deterioration in picture quality. I think you just made my point for me.
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