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AZphan...he hates Cleveland so much that he still lives in NEOhio?
You guys do realize that the Cavs won more games then the Miami Heat teams dont you? It had nothing to do with not providing talent. At the time, Lebron wasnt a great "closer" in the post season. He proved it in his first year in Miami. Since then hes matured and seems to have that killer instrinct. Good for him. He gets to play in a half empty arena in Miami. As for the Cleveland "getting over it" nonsense, nobody really cares. Its a young team, Kyrie is loved and honestly the NBA in Cleveland is third on the list in importance. The NBA sucks at this point as there are really only 5 viable teams from year to year.
As for Lebron hating Cleveland, the guy still lives 20 minutes from the city. Hes hardly the first NBA player to leave a team. DHoward and Shaq bolted Orlando, Kobe didnt want Charlotte, Amare bolted Phoenix, Bosh left Toronto, Carmelo ditched Denver....and so on. None of those are bad places. Its all about wanting a bigger market rather than liking or disliking a place.
@Diego you dont win 66 games and 61 games with 1 guy. If you did then Miami should be 82-0 and not squeeking out 7th games against an ancient Boston Celtics team. Blame whatever you want but the Cavs did everything possible to bring guys in. Common sense my friend.
In hindsight the huge difference Amare has made in New York has really proven the Cavs wrong. The fact is the Cavs were in the Finals once, dominated their division and were the favorites to win the NBA Finals leading up to LBJ leaving. It didnt happen, life goes on. Now, SUDDENLY, they had no talent? Every "expert" in the world had them playing the Lakers in the Finals (remember the commercials with the Kobe/Lebron puppets) so obviously they did have talent. The guy Lebron wanted was Jason Kidd. Unfortunately the Gunds werent really basketball experts and got guys like Larry Hughes and jamison who at the time seemed like good pick ups. People forget that Cleveland tried to get Pau Gasol (Memphis wouldnt trade) and Derek Fisher. You guys act like its super easy to make trades.
I was in Cleveland a week ago and NOBODY is even paying attention to Lebron or the Heat as you guys want to believe. It was all Kyrie, Braxton and T Richardson jerseys from what I saw.
I could not resist on adding to the debate. LeBron's love for Ohio State is not fake, its real!!
I remember reading an article back in 2002 when he was playing high school ball at a tournament in California at the time of the National Title game and when he and his teammates found out that Ohio State won the game, he was said to have been running through the place screaming for joy. Also, he has said more than once that if he had ever played college ball, whether it was football or basketball, he would have gone to Ohio State. I have also read that he plans on attending Ohio State at some point to get his college degree. (Man, I wish I had saved those articles as proof)
As for his association with Kentucky, he is good friends with Coach Cal, as well as trying to sign some of their players to his agency. Not saying he does not like Kentucky, but I think its more business with them than personal.
Now as a Cavaliers fan, while I was highly pissed that he left and the way that he did it, I'm long past it. While I don't root for the Heat to win, it does not kill me if they do. Most Cavs fans I talk to are all into Kyrie and the team we have now. We have the youngest team int he NBA, salary cap space, and what seems to be decent management, but it remains to be seem how for we can advance in the coming years. Oh yeah, as for the Amare trade, Cleveland management at first did hesitate on the deal, and when they gave the green light to go on and trade Hickson, Phoenix got cold feet and nixed the deal. It was LBJ that asked for the team to not only add Jamison but also Shaq and his $20 million salary that gave us NOTHING that playoff series!! Did he quit, its debatable, but I think he did have a triple double his last game. He seemed more frustrated than anything with the style of coaching from Coach Brown and they fact that other teams had multiple stars and he did not have that extra star power on his team in case he had an off night. It was a collective failure, especially the way Gilbert let LBJ and his crew have the run of the organization, from allowing them sit on the front row at games for nothing, using his personal jet as well as unlimited access to the team plane, etc...
Cleveland fans will always have some type of resentment regarding LBJ, but the truth of it lies in the fact that none of our teams have won in so long, or in the Cavs case, never. I can almost bet if a Cleveland team started winning titles, whatever focus or anger towards LBJ would drop big time!!! That is why it hurt so much. He was viewed as our best change to finally bring a title and when he left, as well as HOW he left, it brought a ton of anger and hurt out of the fans. That being said, he has moved on and most sensible fans have as well.
At the end of the day, while he has never just been an all-Cleveland or Ohio guy, he has always shown love to Ohio State, especially football. For some people, that's cool, for others, he will always be the bad guy so it is what it is!!
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