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No need to talk you out of anything. I think you got it pretty much right until you get to 5. I'd drop Manning off the list and add someone like Johnny Unitas.
Randy Moss? Are you serious? He played in 4 games and had 9 catches. Yes...what a contribution to Brady's career.
Wes Welker is a 5-8 slot receiver who has a chance to go to the HOF because of Tom Brady. He would not do what he does in any other system. Welker in Miami had a total of 90 catches...in two years. He catches that a season with Brady.
Gronkowski certainly has a nice start but Brady just got him a couple years ago. As of right now, with only 185 career receptions, I doubt if his career ended tomorrow he'd be a lock.
OK you Manning people, think about this. If you took Brady away from the Patriots, what would New England be? Now, if you take Manning away from the Colts and replaced him with a rookie QB, what would the Colts be? New England would be a good, not great team. Manning get's replaced by a rookie and the Colts are on the verge of great a great team.
I'm using real stats that are much accurate in determining who is better. But since you insist on staying old (and way outdated) school, through 221 games (Manning's current total):
Favre: 4678-7610, 61.5%, 53615 Yds, 396 TD, 255 INT, 86.0 QBR, 1-1 Super Bowls
Manning: 5012-7693, 65.2%, 58640 Yds, 429 TD, 208 INT, 95.5 QBR, 1-1 Super Bowls
So I still don't see how you came to the false conclusion that Favre has better stats...
More spin. Now post all of Favre's stats and not cherry pick his career. Why did you not post playoff wins? Also, it seems that a rookie QB in Indy can do what Manning did.
You do know that Randy Moss broke Jerry Rice's NFL single season TD record in 2007 with Brady passing to him, right? That was easily Brady's best season. Not a coincidence, dude. And LOL at 4 games, 9 catches.
Welker is going to the HOF, and frankly, the "system" argument is really one of the worst fallacies. If Joe Montana didn't play in the west coast offense, for instance, he likely would have struggled a lot more. But no one has really pointed to that.
I never once said he'd be a lock if his career ended tomorrow. My point is, given how he's being used in the offense, he's probably going to put up some great numbers. He's already caught more TD passes in a single season than any other TE, I think he's going places.
LOL are you joking? Andrew Luck is arguably the best QB prospect to ever enter the draft. And you seem to have forgotten that the team went 2-14 in Manning's absence. When Favre left, Rodgers made the Packers better, but I don't see you knocking Favre for that. And also, do you not remember 2008, when the Patriots went 11-5 with Matt Cassel as their QB? The Patriots did way better when Brady was hurt than the Colts did when Manning got hurt.
Sorry sweetheart, but facts are facts and the facts prove you wrong. More spin? LOL, you're a joke.
Look fellas, all joking aside, yes I am being hard on Manning but I do question how old some of you are that list him as the greatest QB to ever play football. Montana is by far the best ever, he helped revolutionize the game, won 4 Super Bowl Titles, and had a killer instinct that I have only ever seen one other QB ever have and that is Brady. Montana and Brady are the 2 greatest QB to ever play and it isn't even close. Maybe I'd feel Manning was the greatest ever if I had never seen Montana or if he didn't play in the time of Brady.
You have no clue how good Andrew Luck is or isn't. That is pure hyperbole. Also, last I checked Roethlisberger led the Steelers to a 15-2 season. I already pointed out that the Patriots were decent, but certainly not great when Brady went down. A rookie QB is leading the Colts to a a playoff appearance. Cassell wasn't a rookie when he stepped in for Brady so you would expect him to perform reasonably well.
Exactly! How the hell can someone 'spin' stats?! Stats are the ONLY thing you can't argue about. What a joke! He just doesn't like Manning or he has a hard on for Favre and won't admit he was proven wrong. Take the cheesehead off, man!
LOL come on. Cassell hadn't started a game since High School before he started that entire season.
Ummm I think you have Moss confused with Chad Johnson. Moss had almost 4,000 yards and 50 TDs in just over 3 seasons with the Patriots. Major contribution to Tom Bradys career.
Lol!! Yes, my bad. So Randy Moss. 1.
He was still not a rookie QB. He still knew the speed of the game, the offense, the game plans, etc... I again point out that a rookie QB is taking Indy to the playoffs.
Roger Staubach did it at every level, and he's an Ohio schoolboy star from Cincinnati Purcell.
Won a Heisman as a junior at Navy.
Served in Vietnam.
Sat out four years, due to military commitments, still came back to become a Super Bowl MVP.
Retired with the highest QB rating in the history of the game to that point. His career numbers would be among the greats if he hadn't lost four years to military duty.
A College and Pro Football Hall of Famer.
Roger Staubach, the Ohioan, is No. 1 in my book, and at every level.
I'm child of the 50's so I've seen them all since the time of Otto Graham, and the gold standard for qb's will always be Johnny U. Put him in todays game and his numbers would be off the charts, put todays guys in his game and I believe they would be a little more pedestrian.
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The Colts are beating bad teams, and barely. Their biggest win is by 7 points and only beat 2 teams with a winning record. So while they are beating who they play, it may change next year when their schedule gets tougher.
Cassell had 3700 yards and 21 tds his last year in NE , very good numbers. His totals for his first 3, 253 yards and 2 tds.
I would put Jim Kelly over Fran Tarkenton. Also I wonder what Greg Cook would have done if he didn't get hurt.
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Boomer is still my favorite player of all time, and yes I know he doesnt belong in this list but I loved watchin my man wing it.. I dont know much about the older fellas but I do know that Brady is a beast and he does it with so-so weapons(minus his TEs) and Peyton can do it without an offensive coordinator.. They are the two best Ive seen in my lifetime
It's all opinion. Brady's and Manning's stats are pretty damn close based on averages per year. Manning very slightly higher in yards and tds a year, when you take out the two seasons when Brady played only 1 game in each.
Brady has had the luxury of having some very good defenses in the past. With their quick scoring offense it may the defense even better by forcing the other teams to pass to catch up, becoming one dimensional.
Montana was amazing. One of the best ever and also had one of the best receivers ever to throw to.
Personally I just feel that Manning is the best. His ability to put receivers where they need to be is top notch.
I think I would move Staubach in the top 10 before Kelly. And yeah, really shame about Cook. If only his surgery options were better back then.
Montana had won 2 Super Bowls before Jerry Rice ever arrived.
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