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Not exactly shocking. Here's the million dollar question, will the NCAA follow the trail to the origin and go after Adidas? I doubt it, but you never know. Let's not forget that Coach Matta lost out on Tony Parker to UCLA and Adidas shenanigens.
UCLA freshman Shabazz Muhammad has been declared ineligible to participate this season, UCLA announced before its season opener Friday night at Pauley Pavilion.
This post was edited by Tripol 20 months ago
"Tonight, my butt's sore." - Mike Krzyzewski 11-29-11
You reap what you sow..
Theyve cleaned it up a ton since Wooden was there but its still the dirtiest program without calipari
Answer: nope. NCAA is a joke.
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I know both of you cheese dicks are referring to me and yes I did say I was highly skeptical of Howland making the dirtiest coach list but I also posted several weeks after that based on what I heard there might be more than just a shred of evidence that he did get caught with his hand in the cookie jar and that Muhammed may not play a single game for UCLA. The word though is that Coach K, in a transparently bitter move, blew the whistle on the alleged financial advisors (Muhammed camp claims they're long standing friends) who supposedly paid for his unofficials. Howland may have very well used adidas to his advantage with the '12 class but this particular incident has zero to do with that. And Tony Parker's long time family friend Korey McCray is an assistant on the staff which has a hell of a lot more to do with him winding up in Westwood than your suggestion that adidas suits wanted him at UCLA wearing the three stripes as if he's some 1 and done, lotto pick, surefire NBA stud that they stand to make huge financial gains off of. That's rich. Also, Kansas which has been a much more consistently elite and more importantly, way more NATIONALLY VISIBLE program, is also an adidas school so why wasn't he funneled there?
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They won't go after Adidas or Nike. Its too big at this point. If they did then there would be hundreds of kids not playing.
My opinion at least.
"The only thing That Team Up North will be tasting this year is the salty tears of defeat" - UFM
We didn't miss on Tony Parker. Kyle Anderson will be good...Adams looks like the most underrated of the frosh class.
I didn't realize Wooden was dirty. Maybe I missed something but you're gonna have to back up an accusation like that!
Its common knowledge. Bill Walton even made jokes about taking a pay cut to go to the NBA. There have been books written about it by players involved directly in it. 1981 investigation was done by the LA Times and it was found that booster Sam Gilbert was giving players cars, clothing, air line tickets, cash, and basically anything they wanted.
Its really not an accusation. Its what happened. This has already come out, been dealt with, and everyone has moved on and accepted that UCLA was THE dirtiest basketball program in the history of the sport and that their titles don't really count even though they have never been officially stripped. The NCAA gave the reason as being too detrimental to the collegiate sport in order to acknowledge the level of corruption that went on at that program.
Frankly I'm suprised someone isn't aware of this. Perhaps you are too young to remember. Thought everyone knew what a phony John Wooden was.
This post was edited by Gobucks187TTUN 20 months ago
Very interesting to say the least. I'm 39 and a long time college basketball fan and I didn't know this. Of course, I was 8 in 1981...
This too shall pass...
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Any idea which players wrote books? Looks like I've got some reading to do cause I can't put too much stock in an la times article.
And be easy calling Wooden a phony
An NCAA investigator is on record saying that in 1977 he was ordered by his superiors to stop his investigation of UCLA basketball. He had a lot of leads to follow and thought there was a gold mine of violations just beneath the surface.
Just Google Sam Gilbert John Wooden.
I'm sorry if this bursts your idyllic image of John Wooden, but the the truth is that a large part of his success was due to Sam Gilbert's wallet.
This post was edited by RodMac 20 months ago
Go Bucks has a fascinating spin on what happened.
Sam Gilbert didn't get involved until Jabbar was there, that was three years after Wooden won his first NCAA title. The Bruins had one two NCAA titles before Jabbar came on campus. UCLA the dirtiest program in the sport? Hardly. Kentucky was shaving points and fixing games when Rupp was there, CCNY and SWLA had to shut down their programs with pre-death penalty death penalties. The NCAA chased Jerry Tarkanian from Long Beach State to UNLV and got him in both places with a hammer. UCLA doesn't even make the first team of dirty programs. The Bruins never vacated a season, as the Ohio State football program just had to do. In fact, by comparison, UCLA was never on probation while Wooden was there.
Lots of differing viewpoints on this. Gilbert was certainly involved with Jabbar and Wicks and Walton.
Others who were All-Americans claimed they never met the man and Gilbert was involved exclusively with only the elite of the most elite. To say this was put to bed without argument is rich. There are still people arguing over how much Gilbert was truly involved.
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I've never been called a cheese dick. Something new everyday in life : ) My only question is do you consider my junk more cheddar, swiss, or one of those rotten smelly cheeses. Ask your wife and mother, then let me know. I should probably talk to my doctor about it.
In all seriousness, there is no denying the shoe companies influence in college basketball. I do not, in anyway, discount the notion when a high level recruit with strong connections to an Adidas funded AAU program drops all Nike schools he has been talking to and only focuses on Adidas schools. It happens all the time and my bet is it happened at UCLA this year. Look at their 2012 class. I think almost all of them were Adidas kids in AAU. I have said before and I will say it again, go read Sole Influence by Dan Wetzel. It is a little dated now, but still very relevant. Howland is a patsy. He may not even know what is going on or he may be in the middle of it. Quite frankly it doesn't matter, the influence can almost always be tracked back to the shoe companies even with kids who are not one and doners. Do you really think Adidas wouldn't be willing to invest something into UCLA and help them get more exposure through success on the court. This is how the marketing folks see it. When they look at the NCAA field of 65, they don't see the team names. They see the names on the sneakers.
Now all that being said, the NCAA will never go as far to go after these connections and all of the improper benefits that are given to these kids under the corporate flags of Nike, Reebok, and Adidas, but it exists. They won't bite the hand that feeds them, no way. Take it from someone who has sat in on meetings and had frank off the record talks with the likes of George Raveling and Sonny Vaccaro. Remember Malik Hairston? He picked Oregon in a last minute signing shocker over OSU and Kentucky. While nothing ever came of it, the week before he took his first trip to Oregon. It wasn't even an official visit. Why? Because he flew on Phil knight's private jet. he was given special accomodations by Raveling and told that Nike "was family" and he would always be "taken care of". He was literally promised a post basketball career job. Some folks say that is nothing bug. Others say that it is a huge problem. Either way you look at it, it is definately breaking NCAA rules and no one wants to know about it.
Finally, for all you football folks, it is starting to become more prevalent there as well. The more exclusive 7 on 7 camps that have become so popular the last few years have all been financially backed by a corporate brand. Under Armor has their own all-american game now. The deeper down the rabbit hole it goes, the more influence these companies will have on these kids college choices.
Bill Walton was one of them.
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This is all I needed!!! LOL +1
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