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I think what is more important than the added length is the increased size of the sweet spot on clubs. Jack never had the 450cc driver and the huge sweet spot that comes with it. So in essence, he has a less forgiving club and had to be more exact in his swing and strategy.
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Obviously there is a difference, but your example is a 31% increase. The average course has not lengthened by 31%. 7000 yards has not become 9200 yards. 7000 has become 7800 or so.
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i think Tiger will do it. Hes had a horrible streak of luck...i mean look at all the stuff hes been through in the last few years....His dads death..the knee problems...his marriage problems....coach changes ...caddie changes. Hes just a man and all of that would affect anyone. He just needs some time to get back into a full PGA season and just do his thing. His swing is improving greatly and he his putting as well. If Tiger can just keep healthy and get his body back into "game" mode he should have no problem breaking that record.
If Tiger played in Jack's era he would've been just another good guy.
I can understand a young person who has only watched Tiger play against these largely anonymous golfers of today might think Tiger is better then Jack. However, anyone who has lived through both eras can see Nicklaus played against superior competition.
The money now is so much better, you can finish last and make a sweet payday, back then, all the prize money was concentrated at the top, players were motivated to excel in order to collect a decent paycheck. Now, they win a tournament and they are set for the year, no reason to finish better then middle of the pack next time they are out.
Anyone who watched Nicklaus/Trevino 71/72/74, at the U.S. Open/British Open/PGA, just to put out one of Jack's legendary rivals as an example, just great, dramatic sports. Tiger has no rival to compare. Noone.
It's going to take more than just keeping healthy for Tiger to break Jack's record. The game if 90% mental. Lots of guys have talent. What separates the winners from the rest of the field are the mental aspects of the game. Tiger's mental game went down the tubes along with all those other things. We shall see if he is able to right the ship.
Not only did Jack win 18 he took 2nd 19 times against Legends like Palmer,Player,Trevino,Miller,Rodriguez, Weiskolf and on and on... Jack was mentaly stronger then Tiger where Tiger is a modern day athlete he works out he's strong plays hoop watches what he eats ect. But I think jack's record isn't going down as easy as experts talked about! !!! Like watching the Tiger I loved jack as a golfer and as a man he is a true leader!!! I hope jack keep it he's a true Buckeye
Take away HGH/PED's and these young kids do not fear Tiger any more, he is done.
Tiger can say all he wants about a monk and the year of the tiger, ya da ya da.
No one fears him any more, he is just another golfer that has a great round now and then.
His injuries and lack of bounce back any more, along with the disappearance of Dr. Feelgood and all his friends have pretty much circled the wagons for Tiger, same as Clemens and others that lost greatness getting older real quick when drug testing came about.
I am SO tired of the golf chanel and the major networks covering golf their continual hoping that Tiger will be back. The TV coverage of Tiger when he is 8 shots off the pace is sickening. Tiger WAS a great player but he is not anymore. He once was dominant, now he is just not . He has not won anything substantial in two years. I get so tired of commenting on how much of a superior athlete he is as if Jack , Gary Player Watson and Arnie were chumps. Jack was a very good athlete who competed succesfully in many sports. Obviously the training and nutritional advances give players advantages that former player could only dream of. THis is not a knock on Tiger but I do not see him gaining the advantages he once had as a young man. That is why Jacks record is so daunting. Like it or not being injured or having physical problems is part of the evaluation of the the best players. Wether it be football , basketball or golf, injuries are part of your place in history. Jack proved incredibly durable throughout his career. He had his ups and downs but his endurance and drive could never be in question. There is no doubt that Tiger moves the needle but that should not be included in determining who is the greatest ever . That is JACK. When his 18 majors are surpassed, then that person will wear the crown. Not before!
It seems everyone is missin the point about technology and course distances. We are not comparing how jack would fare against tiger head to head, we are looking at them vs the competition of the time. And in both cases their competitors had the same technology and were playing on the same courses. The quality of the players are relevant vis a vis their career span but not the other components
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Jack had even more second-place finishes at Majors than Tiger has had wins in majors.
Combine top 2 finishes in majors at the same point in their careers and it is a blowout.
The Bear was better and is better, on and off the golf course.
Interesting argument, I totally disagree. In Jack's time there were a half dozen players that could win a given tournament. Today the fields are MUCH deeper and more talented. Plus you have to examine the timelines. Arnie for example was 10 years older than Jack and really only a competitor for a short time with Jack. Tom Watson was 10 years younger than Jack - the same is true there. When Watson was in his prime Jack was way past his. Who in Jack's time was as good as Phil Mickelson's 40+ wins and 4 majors? Many others as well.
There are dozens of other examples. I love Jack but a lot of people look at his record thru Buckeye colored glasses. Jack has more 2nds in majors because the fields were not nearly as deep.
I'll tell you something else I respect about Tiger's record - he only plays the best tournaments on tour and always has. There are no "Quad Cities Opens" on his wins. He also played more and won more tournaments outside the US than Jack did.
Who in Jack's time was as good as Phil Mickelson's 40+ wins and 4 majors?
IMO, all the greats would have risen to the top if playing in the same eras.
Hell, Watson almost won the open championship at 59 years old!!!!!!!!
The best could play with the best no matter the era.
Yeah, the time frame argument doesn't make sense to me. Palmer was winning majors when Jack got on tour and while in his 30's he had to deal with Watson and Miller in addition the ones you mentioned. There are certainly more good players now (technology has a lot to do with that) but Jack had significantly more great players to contend with. People have no idea what it was like to play with balata balls that weren't round, tiny forged irons, wooden drivers and course conditions that weren't nearly as favorable. Half the guys on tour couldn't break par with the equipment they were using for a lot of Jack's career.
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Again - I disagree - it can never be solved, only opinions. Look at the records. I don't know how you can dispute the time frames. Arnold won his last major in 64; Jack joined the tour in 62. Fact is Arnold was not in his prime for the vast majority of Jacks career. Neither was Watson - he was 10 years younger.
Both great golfers - the best 2 of all time. I'd take Tiger.
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