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I hear Jaylon Smith, Hunter Bivins, Ethan Pocic and on and on and on 'really interested' in ND. Smith went so far as to say it was 'amazing'. What? Even if they've been ND fans their entire lives that would mean that they know ND has been completely irrelevent since before they were born. I don't get it. Don't tell me about Notre Dame Degree. In today's world, there are PLENTY of prestigious universities, and by the way, most of these kids aren't going to 'bigtime' (if you can consider ND bigtime) football schools because of the 'name on the piece of paper'.
I mean, what's their pitch? "Come to ND son, where we live in the past, in a crappy midwest town, where we play mediocre teams on national television, (that often times beat us) before we find ourselves in a middle level, nobody cares bowl. Join us! Oh, and we don't have a jumbotron either, so no seeing replays of your spectacular flameouts." Nobody loves watching ND implode week after week on national tv than I do, but honestly, somebody tell these kids the truth. They sure as hell aren't hearing the truth in South Bend. So what it is? Anyone? Bueller?....(cue background crickets)
The catholic pride and tie ins will never allow the program to go away, IMO. There are other catholic schools in the US, but the Midwest is more uniquiely football-country than the East coast, and they don't put football on a pedastal like ND does. Couple that with the current crop of sports media personalities grew up in an era when ND was in a group of teams that were the elite of college football, and there is a certain expectation that ND was so good for so long, then there is no doubt they will be back.
I don't believe that for a second, and the next generation of sports media personalities will have grown up in an era where ND was handed everything on a silver platter, yet still managed to be irrelevant. I would thin kwe probably have another decade to ride this out, then our kids will falsely assume ND is one of the military academies based on who they play.
The degree is prestiguous and being a major Catholic/religious institution is big as well, but I agree, the rest is fluff.
Brian Kelly is not a players coach at all, how kids and parents look past him berating kids in practices and on TV during games is a testament to what the school stands for.
ND did a great PR job to cover up that student that was killed in the filming booth during high winds, Kelly and the AD were absolutely in the wrong, and how they got out of that without worse press damage is amazing. They put that kid at risk, pure and simple, and he was killed.
Notre Dame is irrelevant, and with games at MSU, at Oklahoma and at USC (I think all three are losses for sure) and then games with Michigan, Purdue, Miami (nuetral field), Pitt, Navy (Dublin) and BYU, and throw in a bowl, I see another 5/6 loss season for sure.
I mentioned I travel for work with an ex ND player that was on a national title team with Montana and his gang, he is tight with a lot those ex players and some pretty significant people within ND.
Even though Kelly got an extension, after he lost coaches to OSU and Meyer, they think Kelly's days are numbered. It is not just the losses piling up, it is the vulgar stuff he does with the cameras on and berating players, and that kid in the tower is not forgotten to other people inside ND, even though it was swept so cleanly under the rug.
We will see, but I think Kelly is gone in two years, just MO. Issue is, who else do you get? Since Lou Holtz, Davie, Whittingham (sans one year), Weis and now Kelly have all struggled.
No school on Notre Dame's schedule fears them now and most think they can play with them or beat them, they use to win just walking on the field and who they were.
Look at NBC's TV ratings with Notre Dame, the Irish are a dying product in football in TV ratings. They are more now schools like Oregon, Stanford, Auburn and Ok State that are more now on a national scene than Notre Dame.
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I tried to rationalize it.
All i can come up with is that either the parents are fans. Name association with the university, ie. Notre dame is a good school. Or the tv exposure
It's amazing to me how many struggling coaches get longer term extensions, then are gone in a couple of years. All we hear about is financial terms, but colleges must alter contract language to either make it easier to fire the coach in the future, or to limit liability for when they do. In most cases, that's the only reasonable explanation for the extension.
Kelly lost to FSU and his QB swapping was in large part the reason for that loss.
He was once again berating kids on national TV in the second half of that loss.
ND lost two coaches to Meyer and OSU, a big time kid decommitted and ND's late season recruiting was floundering while Kelly's confidence level was waivering.
ND, and again MO, did a PR move giving Kelly an extension and vote of confidence to help with recruiting and the hiring of the replacements Meyer stole.
How do you mend suddenly spiraling recruiting and try to hire new coaches in a season that ended with Kelly with a lot of question marks, extend his contract a tad and give him a vote of confidence.
ND is not Cincinnati or Central Michigan, we will see, I think Kelly is gone in a few years. The coaching that won against lesser talented teams is not working, and I am not sure his current staff is really full of big time coaches to overcome his short comings and arrogance.
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The only one I see losing to ND is Smith. According to JBook we are the team to beat with Pocic. Id also say were on top with Bivin as well.
ND is for some reason still considered a National power even though irrelevant for 20 years. Why do they get a seat at the BCS table and an easy road to a BCS game over other conference schools? It is impossible to figure it out so don't beat yourselves up trying to come up with reasons.
OP. You answered your own question by starting this thread. As much as most of us hate them, we tend to still take notice when they do things. They have one of the top 10 programs of all time and have a massive national following.
That being said, they aren't as popular as they were 20 years ago and hopefully after another 20 years of mediocrity, they will be even less relevant.
No matter who they get for some reasons they can't have a great season. It is easy for them to get a top 10 recruiting class every year but they can't have a 1 or 2 loss season and go to the bcs.
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Should ND begin to win big games again, they will be around. Should ND maintain their mediocre stance, they will go into the abyss and lose their TV contract with NBC.
Their pitch is----- Come play in the presence of TOUCHDOWN JESUS
Dont sleep on ND...I think this is the year they shock the world........they have upgraded that talent to fit the system!!!!
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heres Notre Dames Schedule for 2012......they have a pretty decent schedule......they lose 6 of these games off the top right now.....
09/01/12 Navy Midshipmen
09/08/12 Purdue Boilermakers
09/15/12 at Michigan State Spartans
09/22/12 Michigan Wolverines
10/06/12 Miami (FL) Hurricanes
10/13/12 Stanford Cardinals
10/20/12 BYU Cougars
10/27/12 at Oklahoma Sooners
11/03/12 Pittsburgh Panthers
11/10/12 at Boston College
11/17/12 Wake Forest Demon Deacons
11/24/12 at USC Trojan
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