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Here is my list of players who must overcome having little or no role for 2012 or who may be over-taken by incoming Freshman this fall.
Tanner - hasn't been able to get on the field for two years. with 3/4 Safties coming in, has to show in the spring.
Crowell - similar to Tanner, can he overcome last years large LB class and Mitchell/Jones to get into 2 deep even if he gets healthy?
Jones - JT Barrett.
Ball - With Hall coming back and Zeke coming in, how many carries will there be after Miller, Hyde and all the H-backs get their carries? Ball Must beat out Dunn and Smith to even get to 3rd on the depth chart which with Miller and the Hbacks is really 5th.
Powell - Tweener that may be too tall for a safety and too slim for a LB. Already have lots of potential WDE converts.
Brown - may never get on the field with several promising Freshman ahead of him.
Carter - maybe needed for goal line defense but must carve out a role in the spring. Work and nastiness are keys. Oh and needs to talk to Charles Barkley about the weight.
Baldwin - see Brown. Converted DL who may be soon pushed out of the 2 deep.
Underwood - probably a backup at best but could lose that to Farris, O'Conner and the new comers.
Moore - hard worker with a great attitude who may have to decide between a degree from Ohio State and playing more than a 3rd team role. Marcus, Grant and Miller are likely ahead of him at WSE with two new Freshman also on his heals.
Thomas - Witg two stud TEs ahead of him and a bigger stud freshman coming in (reports suggest Baugh can't be kept off the field) Thomas may be 4th string at best.
Roberts - played special teams as a true but can he make it in the two deep before his senior year?
Grant - Can he finally learn the defense as a LB? Is WDE where you have less to think about or does Grant need a fresh start?
Epitropoulos - low numbers may keep him in Columbus for now but adding Gibson and Elder may tilt the scale after the spring.
Im Intrigued by Cardale..he has always wanted to be a BUCKEYE, came in regardless of Braxton and wanted an opportunity to compete. Then a BH report comes out that he hasn't ruled out transferring down cause he wants to play and not sit out a year! I hope he stays, but completely understand his rationale, that he is probably, gonna sit all this coming year again, and if he beats out JT Barret he will Play behind Brax up two years from now.
JT Moore, no way..everyone loves him and he loves tOSU!
I don't know how big Blake Thomas is, I wonder if Warriner can turn him into an OL, if not I'm guessing he is gone..
Underwood...no, I thought the staff was high on him...
Tyvis Powell, ever read his tweets..GREAT kid and attitude, he's gonna find a role!!
the rest, who knows....some weren't projected to make it this long and they have...
This post was edited by Griffinfeb 15 months ago
Would Adam Griffin get his tuition paid for since Archie is an employee of the school?
Griffin isn't going anywhere.
Griffin seems to love being Buckeye and made some contributions on special teams. No indication that he minds playing that role for the rest of his career.
In terms of why he is here, I'd be fine giving any player who's dad wins two Heismans a scholarship if the kid is D1AA (FCS) or better.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BUCXs 15 months ago
Here i was hoping the "Use Adam Griffin's schollie elsewhere" talk was dead....
Guess I was wrong.
I dont see Ball leaving as eligibility wise zeke is the only one that will be on 2013 roster with years of eligibilty left equal to Ball and Zeke hasnt even had one practise at OSU.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by orlbuckeye 15 months ago
I guess you were. He is a contributor, and I think he should stay on the team. But if you can get another scharship freed up, considering we are short for the next few years, why the hell not?!
Good thing you're running the show.
Why the hell not? Because the kid deserves to be on scholarship, that's why the hell not....
What do you do about the kids who's families are well off and can afford to pay their kids tuition in full? Do you pull their scholarships because we are short for the next couple of years? Sounds pretty dumb huh?
His dad works for the school. Most schools allow their employees kids to go to school for free. And if you read my first post, I asked if his tuition would be covered since his dad worked there. But instead you decided to over look it as a question, and act like you run the place.
Ball's going to be a redshirt freshman - why would he transfer?
This post was edited by pissedpuppy 15 months ago
a friend of mine from boardman who knows the moores said he just saw jt and he said nothing of leaving.
idk who may leave but a couple need to if we get a few more commits.
My perspective only covered depth chart and past playing time.
Two other significant factors also affect potential transfers; 1) academics and 2) off-field conduct.
Players typically don't transfer based on only one factor. Usually it is a multitude of issues most of which we aren't privy to before-hand.
Yes, being that his father is an employee of the university Adam's tuition would be paid in full. However, there are additional perks kids who are on scholarship receive that those who are not on scholarship do not.
The guy who runs the place
I like the list but it seems to me like this kind of thing is pretty unpredictable. Verlon Reed looked like a possible 4 year starter after the first few games of his freshman year and now look. I just hope Urban finds the guys who have shitty attitudes and tries to give them a nice push towards the door.
Adam Griffin was pretty solid on special teams, and the Penn State fake punt, that was set up well for a first down, Griffin was home and broke that up. Big play, he was the only OSU in the area preventing that first down off a fake punt. He has earned his scholly and deserves it.
This post was edited by ohiost83 15 months ago
This is my point exactly. We all love what's goin on inside the WHAC. It isnt tough to see that most players feel the same way. Someone commented on griffin seeming to be happy with his role. While that may sound foreign to some, its obvious to me. You NEED role players. Its why kids are willing to be walkons, to be 'part of something'. In this case, part of something really special. Im not sure we lose more than another 1-2 kids. We may not lose any. I find it funny how when a kid like quick says hes goin somewhere else, we instantly say 'one kid doesnt make that big a difference', but, we are more than willing to force kids out to make room for one more kid. Last yrs team was really special, when they didnt need to be. If the kids that were a part of it wanna stay, and they all were, and it costs us a recruit or 2, im ok with it. My $.02
just a few thoughts...
despite proclamations of jt moore being buried on the depth chart, recall how many games he was on the field as early as the first quarter; he is a team player and this is probably enough to keep him happy.
i don't really care about carter's weight if he is a goalline specialist. he won't likely be a regular here, anyway, so if adrenaline can't get him up for a half-dozen plays a game he and urban need to have a serious talk pronto.
not making any judgements right/wrong, but i think the average bucknuts poster holds the "loyal 11" in much higher esteem than the coaches, and I expect 2-3 to leave within a year's time.
I could see Blake Thomas leaving...he has two big/strong NFL type TEs in front of him and a big pass-catching athlete coming in. There is no way he can turn into an OL imho, 6'3" and not broad enough of a frame. Smart and good kid, can block and has nice skills, just not up to the level needed here. It would be shame to waste that. If he was at Iowa would probably start a couple years. Of course he could still be growing or something, but barring any crazy events probably best to leave if he ever wants to play.
Tommy Brown, suprised he made it this far. Ditto for Carter.
Crowell I think could get in the mix. He played well when C.Grant got pulled, then got dinged up and never made it back. But if he can get healthy (and is now well out from his injury) he might show. I see him staying to try...this year will probably make or break his career here.
This post was edited by PCL 15 months ago
Good points, but it is nice to have a little pressure on to earn your scholarship. Obviously, not everyone can play and some kids are never meant to be starters, but at least by maxing out the scholarship limits it pushes kids to make the most of their potential rather than coast. I don't see UM as a guy that will push out a kid that gives 100% unless that kid wants to play elsewhere, but I do think he uses some leverage to either get more effort or show kids the door. I did like how JT left a little room to reward the top walkons, but there are things I also like about this strategy, especially when we are already down three schollies.
+1 agree! I have a feeling ufm and marrotti have a way of weeding out the coasters tho. If they coast, cut them loose. I just think some of us want to replace kids based only on talent and i think thats a mistake. As an example, Im guessing apple is better than griffin already, but, i wouldnt want to cut griffin just because hes less talented provided hes giving his best, just to 'make room'. Im watching carefully to see how meyer handles this bc it will tell us a lot.
Most OSU employees get 50 percent off their children's tuition as long as they have a C or better in the class. I've seen some posters on here talk about Archie's kid getting extra treatment like he's not good enough to be on the team and he's taking up a scholarship spot. I'm from the old school of thinking, Archie's kid can be on this team as long as he wants to be. You know why, because his dad is a two time Heisman trophy winner from The Ohio State University. Sometimes it's not about what you know it's who you know. Let it go. Go Bucks.
I would agree, and don't want him to leave. If his tuition wouldn't be 100% covered, then I agree he should keep his scholarship. And that's why I asked the question, as I've known a few people who had their tuition free. Thanks for the answer.
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