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* realistically, it feels like we're still maybe another cycle or two away from truly being able to go toe-to-toe with them athletically..., especially depth wise.
* that said, if we're being honest, how many felt going into it that the '02 squad totally matched up on that fateful night in the desert a decade+ ago? It's usually the better TEAM, and not always the better athletes that win (not that I think the Tide don't play well as a team. They're clearly well coached, disciplined, and play well together and for each other). As another more recent example though, I don't think many could assert that A&M was more talented, and certainly not deeper, athletically in their win last year.
* intuitively, it feels like both sides would have one primary advantage going into the game:
- Alabama - been there, done that. Much of the roster has been part of two championship games and at least some of them will have experienced three of them. There's no shock and awe. They expect to be there. Combined with talent and depth at every position group, and seasoned coaching on the biggest of stages, it's a compelling advantage..., especially early in the game during that feeling out phase where the jitters are usually highest.
- Ohio State - scheme. If you ever listen to any of Urban's behind the scenes commentary after the game against us, he talks a lot about the things they did schematically on defense to try and confound, confuse and slow down Troy & Co. On offense, it's about numbers, and it's math that should favor the offense if it's executed at a high level. In my mind, it's all about putting Braxton in situations where he's a run/pass threat, without getting him killed doing it, while throwing the kitchen sink at them in terms of getting dynamic playmakers like J Hall, Philly Brown, Wilson, Marshal, etc. in space and forcing the Tide defense to make decisions and plays on the edge over and over and over. Alternated with liberal doses of Hyde, Rod Smith, etc., it could be a winning formula.
On the surface, you'd have to hope the Bucks jump out to a couple possession early lead, because I do think it would be tough to hang with them for four quarters if it's close. Assuming our O line is as good as advertised though, I definitely feel like Urban would make a great game of it. My deepest concern is honestly that we don't really get tested or face the kind of adversity in a soft schedule and a depressed BIG that it's going to take to prevail against that kind of step up in fighting class. I guess the new look Meatchicken would be arguably the closest both schematically and talent-wise that we face. And whlie potentially playing them twice in two weeks is an intriguing prospect in it's own right (personally think it will be Nebraska, but that's just me), as we saw last year the Michigan vs. Alabama comparison isn't much of a comparison...
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They just replaced their entire o-line
You guys think just because they're losing players they won't be as good? Did you see what they lost off of their 2011 team? And did you see them anal probe Notre Dame and Michigan last season? They could have scored 100 if they wanted to, but they let off the gas pedal in both and started taking starters out. Don't let them fool you, they will replace 1st rounders with 1st rounders. Their second teams could probably win 9-10 games in the big ten...
We'll have to resurrect this thread in 7 months when bama isn't in the title game and has 2-3 loses
Its very hard to keep that edge at the top. Again remember the talent on the 2002 Miami team, it seems like the whole team got drafted and they won 30 some straight games. The spread in an OSU vs Bama title game would probably be 4 to 7 points much less than the 13 points OSU got in 2002. If OSU runs the hurry up correctly they could be playing much of the game against the Bama second team defense due to fatique. With the skill people Braxton will have around him, a veteran line and perhaps the best one-game coach in college football OSU would give Bama all they could handle.
Guess we coulda used that same logic 3 of the last 4 years.
I just have to see our defense first. There are three things i need to see from our defense to give me confidence against them.
1. Curtis Grant steps up and plays like an all B10 LBer, which he totally is capable of doing. He isint lacking ability at all, he just needs to get the defense and know where he's supposed to be.
2. The safeties stop giving up big plays and learn how to tackle. I rewatched the scum game the other night and noticed, if we didnt make mental mistakes on the defensive side of the ball in the first half, that game wouldn't even have been close. They stepped up in the second half, and what happened? Borges couldn't even get past midfield.
3. Growth of the young Defensive Line. Are Noah and Adolphus who we think they are?
Are they going to dominate the way everyone thinks they will? I think they will but we gotta see it. The interior is the place that worries me. Can a 275-280 pound Mike Bennett line up in the middle against Bamas giant OL and win battles in the trenches for 60 minutes? Or would they wear him down and start driving him right into our linebackers?
NCs are won with defense...And the big advantage Bama has over Ohio State is defense..Bama is loaded with experience and depth on defense..Ohio State may be talented but we are not experienced or battle-tested yet..Quality depth is developed through repetition and game experience..Right now our defense is not ready for Bama..Our defense is still "work in progress"..Let's just wait and see how our defense progresses and evolves during the season before we talk NCs.
Woody and Archie.................................. Alex being Alex, ....................................and Woody at Dennison
Finally some realistic viewpoints in this thread. I was beginning to think I was the only person who actually watched the games.
Why do you think a large number of CFB teams have moved to the spread offense? Why do you think coaches, like Saban and Beilema, speak out against the spread? It levels the playing field if executed properly. Alabama currently has more talent than OSU, no question. Yet, that will even out in the next couple of years. Regardless of this, if Braxton can master this offense, and it's opened up a bit more, we have more than a chance.... We are more talented than probably all but a handful of teams. It truly comes down to how we execute on offense, and how we stop the run. Special teams will probably play a part as well.... But can we beat them, yes.... Will it be easy, no....
Another thing to look at is how technically sound the bama defense is. With over a month to prepare there's no telling how our offense would fare let alone our inexperienced defense
No, you are one of many that believes everything ESPN and CBS notes about the SEC.
Bama is elite, but the SEC West has flipped over night on Saban, it has went from teams with pathetically bad offenses and wanting to play field position offense vs. defense smash mouth football, outside of Petrino and Arkansas, to teams like Texas A and M with Sumlin, Auburn with Malzahn and Ole Miss with Frees going to spread up tempo speed offenses, and attacking up tempo with elite athletes in space. There's a reason Saban is crying about stopping up tempo offenses and all those quick plays using injuries as an excuse, TAMU exposed how he built his defense to go against all those power pro SEC offenses.
These team are not going to play field position smash mouth football with Bama, and they are recruiting at high levels as well.
Both Texas A and M last year with Bama and Clemson with LSU, showed what dual threat QB's in those up tempo offenses could do to Bama and LSU, both offenses ran plays one right after another, and gassed both of those defenses, they both pathetically faked injuries to get tired players off the field.
Does Bama have an elite defense? Yes. The last few years, name an offense in the SEC with a pulse or innovation outside of Petrino at Arkansas or Georgia. A bunch of average to mediocre offenses that makes defenses look better than they are.
Louisville gutting Florida, Clemson gutting LSU and TAMU spreading Bama out and beating them pretty much showed last year, innovative offenses that can move the ball in space can beat these elite SEC defenses, who face morbid offenses most of the year In the SEC.
Injuries happen, Colt McCoy does not get injured early, Texas probably wins. Bama had trouble early with that offense and trailed when McCoy went down.
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Urban Meyer is 4-0 in BCS bowls, 2-0 in BCS title games and 7-1 in bowl, his track record of preparing for bowls is just as impressive as Saban's.
Bama did not look so sound in their Sugar Bowl loss to Utah and their spread, and they trailed early vs. Texas until Colt McCoy got injured and turned that game around.
Notre Dame was so overrated it was comical, they could have been a 5 loss team easily.
It's July right?.......ok just checking
In the words of the late great Colonel Sanders "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken!"
If Braxton would have to run a lot & try his spin moves against the athletes on Bama's D, i don't think he would finish the game.
TJ Yeldon, if he can stay healthy will win the Heisman this year.
Is is a rare special talent. The only thing that would keep him under 2,000 yards this year are injury and Saban pulling him because their leads are so big.
Put me also in the camp that Johnny Football will win a big game or two, but he is set for a meltdown as well. Look for one early in the season as his hangover from all of the partying kicks in. I could also see him going on auto pilot early in the season as well, waiting to count his draft money.
If we can get to the National Championship game we will have gained a lot more experience and probably wil be the more hungry
team. We will not play quite as close to the vest as usual and may suprise the SEC. We would not have anything to lose but the
game and that could make us a dangerous team.
Couple things. Your first statement is completely false, I already argued that point earlier but you chose to ignore it. Outside of the top few SEC teams each season, their dominance is widely overstated. However, you can't argue with the fact that the SEC has won the last SEVEN NC... can you? Their best team has consistently been better than everyone else and lately that team has been Alabama. I have respected you as a poster for a while but suddenly it sounds like you have been hacked by a 15 yr old kid. I never said Alabama was unbeatable. I stated that I don't think OSU is ready to beat them in a NCG yet. That is a completely rational statement if you go by what you have seen so far on the field. Yes, Texas a&m beat them, but we don't have Johnny Manziel. Braxton Miller was not the passer that Manziel was last season. Could he be there this season? Maybe. Hopefully. He would have to be able to throw better for us to beat Bama, period. How do you know that he is there yet? Do you really think that we could stop Bama with Bryant and Barnett at Safety? What about C Grant at MLB? Better hope he is A LOT better if want to even think about stopping Bama's run game. People on here, including yourself, seem to be thinking that all of the improvements that needed to happen for this season to end in a NC are a sure bet.
I think you forgot what happened the last time our defenses faced those "mediocre" SEC offenses... yeah no need to rehash. We got lucky in the Arkansas game that their WR couldn't catch a cold bc our D was burnt several times. How much better do you think our D will be this year than it was in '06, '07, and 2010? Also, that's a pretty big stretch to assume that Texas would have beat Bama with McCoy. Bama's offense ran roughshod over Texas' defense... last time I checked McCoy didn't play D. Bama let up after half time but they could have scored 60.
Since you obviously have a short memory, I will remind you that it was Bama's D that ended Meyer's spread offense dominance in the SEC.
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