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Many are not a fan. I was in that boat heading into 2013. But then I started noticing something.
The NBA actively tracks +/- which is a nice tool to see what bench players are adding value and what starters are most important to keep on the court.
The college game doesn't really track it but what I noticed is that starting around conference play, Shannon Scott being on the court seemed to spur a lot of our runs. Not sure what his +/- is but very often his appearances in the game were for little bursts like a 11-5 stretch or something of that nature.
But without much scoring and an ugly shot he remains somewhat of a black sheep of the team to many fans.
Enter into evidence tonight. 7 boards, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, and 5 points. Also did a great job pushing tempo, wearing down NU, and moving the ball around the zone.
Somethings to consider:
- I think we play well versus zones but today was a bit of an off day. Scott seemed to really get them out of their funk. Keep an eye on him going forward whenever we see a zone.
- Scott and Thompson were 2-3 from 3 point. That's huge right there. While I don't know if Scott will ever become a decent shooter, Thompson's form has looked very very good of late.
- I'm all for Ross getting more minutes, but if we're going to play a transition game or take on a fast paced team, I like the idea of having Scott motoring back and forth in transition.
- Amir Williams looked pretty nasty versus the zone but a lot of that was good passing.
I have called Williams, Scott, Ross, and Thompson "the pups" and as they go, the Buckeyes go. A very marginal improvement from now until the tourney for all four would catapult us from a dangerous 3-4 seed to a very legitimate contender.
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5 points, 7 rebounds and 5 assists, he brought some energy tonight, good game for SS
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+/- is very easy to track. Just keep paper and pencil with you and note the score when players enter and leave the game. When the game ends, note the points for and against in two columns, when a player was in and when he was out. It is more difficult to chart multiple players. One game does not mean very much, but trends may develop quickly. Espn posts a play-by-play review, which used to include substitutions, but that has changed. Someone else might do it.
Two stats which say a great deal about Scott are his assist/turnover ratio and his steals/turnover ratio. Both are outstanding. For his size and position,he is also a valuable rebounder.
I definitely know how to track it, but I am more likely to have a beer in my hand than a pen while watching haha.
From my POV he's got to calm down. He put up too many goofy shots, stuffing himself into the lane like a sausage. It was nice to see him make an outside shot, and he does bring energy. But man, the kid needs work. It's a weird team in a way: Smith, Craft, Scott, Thompson--none of them seem to be great shooters.
Can't see the team accomplishing much, though I'm hoping for the best.
I think its pretty simple...Scott bring energy! Lots of energy! It is catching when things start to go positive. By next season, having him and Craft in the same backcort at the same time will really start to pay move dividends, than even now!
when I used to coach and would put a kid into a game I expected him to "make a difference".....to do what "he brings tio the game" for me...I always told my kids.. "when you enter a game, be sure you contribute something noticeable to represent your prescence in the game.....a steal, a rebound, a basket, an assist.....contribute something for your time on the floor.....right now wiht Scott it is great hustle and defense......players should never disappear, when put into a game....they should make a difference!
When Scott pushes the ball he needs the rest of the team to push as well. Thompson is pretty good about running the floor with him, but he isn't always on the floor with him. Normally they sub out LSJ and Sam with Ross and Scott.
If Scott has guys on either side he has options for passing and makes it much harder on the defender.
Too many times Scott is pushing and everyone else is trailing.
if you want to stay in similar rotation as we currently exhibit, go craft scott thomas ross williams and run and press, speed the game up
most of our players seem to like that tempo and last night a 3/4 court press with some trapping makes NW use more energy each offensive possession and with a limited roster plays into our hands
i have been mattas biggest critic on his lack of game day coaching but he finally adjusted to their zone and went smaller and put thomas right in the middle, go look at the syracuse game, thomas is deadly at the foul line, but why did it take so damn long
Not sure that Ross runs the floor better than Thompson.
Thomas flashed to the foul line all game. NW just kept denying the passing lanes. When Thomas moved to the 5 last night is when he took over.
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As much as I love Trey Burke's game, I think the comparisons with Scott have been unfair to Scott. Does anyone believe Scott would not be light-years ahead of where he is if he had gotten the PT Burke has? And where would Burke be now had he been behind Craft?
If Scott can get his shooting down can you say Chris Paul?
I was impressed with Scott's uncanny ability to rebound in traffic especially considering he was the smallest guy on the court. His block where he beat that sh*t up was also fun to watch. He has sneaky athleticism. We have to find a way for him to start next season in the backcourt but does anyone really think Thad will demote Smith, a 70+ game starter, to the bench? Perhaps a three guard lineup with Amir Williams at the five and Ross at the four.
I am a big fan of Shannon Scott. He has progressed nicely and i have been saying all year that Shannon needs to be running the point more often because he has teh ability to create and break down defenses where Craft does not. (not consistently).
When we see zones or see a defense that puts tremendous pressure on teh ball (Like scUM did against us on the road) Shannon is better equiped to break that shit down.
I love Aaron Craft....his leadership and defensive tenacity......but at the end of the day he truly is NOT a point guard.
I look for and hope that next year Shannon is starting at point and Craft is at the 2 guard......Matta can mix it up from there.
I absolutely love everything about this kids game EXCEPT....big exception...he CANNOT shoot to save his life... I can't understand how he can be such a solid all around player and be missing such a key point the game. I mean open layup's he's missing...he looks so timid to shoot, and when he does he throws up horrible bricks. He doesn't need to be the best shooter on the team, just efficient.... just overall really needs to work on that game to become a full package as it's really holding him back...
Great shooters put up a zillion shots a day - rain or shine. You have to chase them out of the gym or call them out of the dark to eat supper. They even shovel snow and wear gloves to get their shots in. I haven't heard of anyone on this team ever doing that except DT.
did not say he does run the floor better, in fact would say no way does he do it, but he can get to the hole due to his size and he can also be a secondary option in the break leading to open jumpers and there is no comparison to thompson, although thompson is another excellent option in this style of play, but want secondary options when pushing and Q foots that bill to a much better degree
On Thomas and the zone, agree he was flashing but the offense became better when he was posting there as now someone on the low end of the zone must honor the best scorer in the Big10 and DT is a much more willing passer at this stage of his career, so we agree mostly but the he was more effective when it was not a flash to that part of the zone
If Sam can become somewhat consistent from 3, he could turn into another guy who was a great athlete and defender and eventually became a great all around player for us...David Lighty. That is about the ceiling I see for Sam in the near future.
For some reason, I see Sam and Q becoming closer to being the same person. Both have made strides toward that in their second year. Perhaps each can get closer to what Turner was able to accomplish following his second year. Strength and better (killer) ball skills for both, defense for Ross, and shooting for Thompson. Apparently, Turner became obsessed in becoming "The Man." Not a bad player to emulate.
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