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That Loss Is Legitimately On The Coaching Staff

  • This board is pretty brutal in terms of assessing blame to the coaching staff. Sometimes its warranted.

    Today's loss though is pretty clearly one the coaches were culpable.

    Better talent on both sides of the ball. No turnovers. No big mental mistakes or bad calls. Mostly just outcoached imo.

    We played hard, maybe not well, but the fact of the matter is that we were out game-planned and failed to figure things out as we went along.

    Leaking yards defensively on the outside. Offensively, a mess of a gameplan. It was pretty clear Purdue really didn't want to rush the qb whatsoever. We ran into negative yardage multiple times over because Purdue mostly stayed back keying on Miller.

    I guess if Miller hits one of those deep balls, things are different so I do put some blame on him. Really though with a passrush, we should have been much more willing to throw the ball although I guess the wind was a factor. For whatever reason I don't ever recall a football program being as victimized by wind as Ohio State.

    The blocked PAT killed, but imo our coaches backed us into a corner. Defensively we were gutted out of the gate and went three and out with some real dicey drives. On the road, you can't put yourself in a hole (Miami, Wisconsin as examples).

    Just kind of a headscratcher as we really didn't seem to be prepared the first quarter and failed to take advantage of what Purdue was giving us.

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  • I'm mystified as to why we opted for the FG in OT with a 4th and 1.... I've never seen such pathetic offensive play calling.

  • I have to agree regarding being outcoached today... at least the offensive coaches were. Play calling is what the casual fans talk about, but today it was inferior schemes that were to blame more than play calling. The position the offensive coaches put Braxton Miller in is unfathomable to me. The lack of open receivers tells me the passing game scheme is poorly designed. Time after time Braxton is asked to make nothing but difficult throws rather than giving him some easier throws to establish a rhythm.

    If you don't have schemes to open up some receivers against Purdue's coverages, then it doesn't matter very much what plays are called. If your QB is throwing no easier short passes to get acclimated to the wind conditions, then you're not going to have much success. When Tressel and Hazell left, the passing game went bye-bye with them.

  • The loss IS on the coaching staff. Didn't have them ready 2 weeks in a row.

  • Incompetency thy name is Jim Bollman. Originally a Jim Tressel mistake!

  • buckino3 said... (original post)

    Incompetency thy name is Jim Bollman. Originally a Jim Tressel mistake!

    I've watched LUke on third and long just sit on the sidelines and not say a word through the headset too many times this year. The field goal in over time on 4th and 1 was another stupid call. Sorry Luke but you have to have the balls to over ride Bollmans retarded ass once in a while. I really can't stand to watch our offense any more. It's like watching the same bad game over and over.

  • Bdigitty said... (original post)

    I've watched LUke on third and long just sit on the sidelines and not say a word through the headset too many times this year. The field goal in over time on 4th and 1 was another stupid call. Sorry Luke but you have to have the balls to over ride Bollmans retarded ass once in a while. I really can't stand to watch our offense any more. It's like watching the same bad game over and over.

    I agree. I was pulling for Luke all along but it is simple to see he is not ready!

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  • There was a theory brought up in the game time thread that basically said that this staff is coaching like they know they won't be here next year. They seem like they are just going through the motions.

    I really don't know if thats the case but there has to be some explanation.
    1) Bollman knows he's out no matter who is head coach next year.
    2) Heacock wanted to retire in 2007. And is probably dealing with a linebacker coach who thinks he's God's gift to college coaching.
    3) Sicliano is never going to be the answer at QB coach.

    Bottom line is, Tress covered up for a ton of coaching faults. And the cracks are showing big time with this coaching staff. As much as you would like to say they are professionals and do their jobs no matter what, I think they all hung it up awhile ago.

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  • jsirak said... (original post)

    I'm mystified as to why we opted for the FG in OT with a 4th and 1.... I've never seen such pathetic offensive play calling.

    Ok there were a lot of mistakes today but why the FUCK would you NOT kick a field goal on 4th and 1 in OT? Say we don't get it which was very possible. Then what? All Purdue literally has to do is run it up the middle three times and kick a field goal. If you want to blame someone, blame the secondary for giving up a 14 freaking yards on 3rd and 12 and giving up plays like that all day long. Blame the line for giving up a blocked extra point that would of won the game. Blame the defense for forgetting how to tackle. Blame Bollman for not knowing what a goddamn slant and short pass is. But don't blame Fickell for doing something any competent coach would do. It makes you look silly.

  • jhanks76 said... (original post)

    There was a theory brought up in the game time thread that basically said that this staff is coaching like they know they won't be here next year. They seem like they are just going through the motions.

    I really don't know if thats the case but there has to be some explanation. 1) Bollman knows he's out no matter who is head coach next year. 2) Heacock wanted to retire in 2007. And is probably dealing with a linebacker coach who thinks he's God's gift to college coaching. 3) Sicliano is never going to be the answer at QB coach.

    Bottom line is, Tress covered up for a ton of coaching faults. And the cracks are showing big time with this coaching staff. As much as you would like to say they are professionals and do their jobs no matter what, I think they all hung it up awhile ago.

    Agreed. Sobering truth. I think we have seen all the evidence we need.

  • just get this season overwith. new life next year. new coaches next year.

  • Amen to that....PLUS....dropping picks and Horrific tackling!

  • Shugarts goes down and our idea is to start a middle of the road recruit, true freshmen at RT.

    Was it the right call? No, because halfway through the game they admitted it was the wrong choice and juggled the line. It was admitting a mistake when I think most of us were a bit miffed by the decision to start with.

    Also, do you know how easy it is run blitz on first down on us when you know a slow developing trap play is going to going to be called. We do mix it up here and there but like clockwork we're running some type of middle run with a guard leading the way on 50-60% of our first and second down plays for the first half.

    We've been doing it for YEARS. Iso, stretches, dives, pitches, draws, counters, etc. It's just mind boggling that we've fallen in love with this type of running play when we lose yardage on it a good 1/4th of the time. It's like we have this ridiculous quota to run them every game regardless of what the defense is doing, what our talent is, and what the score is.

    It's the most mystifying and frustrating things about Ohio State football. Not that we run all the time, but we run the same play with the same results and fail to ever really embrace a more diversified approach to the running game or the passing game.

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  • bennybuckeye said... (original post)

    Shugarts goes down and our idea is to start a middle of the road recruit, true freshmen at RT.

    Was it the right call? No, because halfway through the game they admitted it was the wrong choice and juggled the line. It was admitting a mistake when I think most of us were a bit miffed by the decision to start with.

    Also, do you know how easy it is run blitz on first down on us when you know a slow developing trap play is going to going to be called. We do mix it up here and there but like clockwork we're running some type of middle run with a guard leading the way on 50-60% of our first and second down plays for the first half.

    We've been doing it for YEARS. Iso, stretches, dives, pitches, draws, counters, etc. It's just mind boggling that we've fallen in love with this type of running play when we lose yardage on it a good 1/4th of the time. It's like we have this ridiculous quota to run them every game regardless of what the defense is doing, what our talent is, and what the score is.

    It's the most mystifying and frustrating things about Ohio State football. Not that we run all the time, but we run the same play with the same results and fail to ever really embrace a more diversified approach to the running game or the passing game.

    Exactly! Bolls even struggles at judging HIS OWN PLAYERS. He thought Bauserman was better than Miller to start the season. FAIL. He thought Underwood was the best choice to start at RT in Shugarts' absence. FAIL. It took an injury to Philly Brown to get Devin Smith and Evan Spencer the PT they deserve. FAIL.

    I will say the player development is excellent though. Take a guy like Marcus Hall. Just keeps getting better and better. (OK, I'll stop now.)

  • pvbuck said... (original post)

    just get this season overwith. new life next year. new coaches next year.

    Agreed. But we are looking at 2-5 years of mediocrity regardless of who coaches. And I would not assume UM as the next HFC as most on this board do. We'll be light on recruiting this year and next until we get the fence rebuilt. The only way M gets good is by recruiting OH guys, so they will get better at our expense.

    On the other hand the PSU cesspool may tip a few PA players our way.

    But no matter how you slice it, we'll be a middle of the pack team and irrelevant to the national picture for a while.

  • QB's have to know that you can not take a sack in overtime. You controlled WIsconsin's D-line but you let an middle of the pack Purdue D-line to stuff the running game. And I don't usually agree with announcers during games, but the snaps to Heron do make it all run, and in that aspect I think I'd rather have Miller with the ball just to maybe, make the defense think there's a chance for a pass.

  • Dave Biddle said... (original post)

    Exactly! Bolls even struggles at judging HIS OWN PLAYERS. He thought Bauserman was better than Miller to start the season. FAIL. He thought Underwood was the best choice to start at RT in Shugarts' absence. FAIL. It took an injury to Philly Brown to get Devin Smith and Evan Spencer the PT they deserve. FAIL.

    I will say the player development is excellent though. Take a guy like Marcus Hall. Just keeps getting better and better. (OK, I'll stop now.)

    I agree completely, and wonder whether Fickell is providing any input whatsoever to the offensive staff or whether he is just a passive bystander chewing gum on the sidelines. As a former "defensive coordinator", even he must realize how predictable the offense is and what players he would consider the biggest threats if he were coaching defensively against this offense.

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  • surfscoter said... (original post)

    Agreed. But we are looking at 2-5 years of mediocrity regardless of who coaches. And I would not assume UM as the next HFC as most on this board do. We'll be light on recruiting this year and next until we get the fence rebuilt. The only way M gets good is by recruiting OH guys, so they will get better at our expense.

    On the other hand the PSU cesspool may tip a few PA players our way.

    But no matter how you slice it, we'll be a middle of the pack team and irrelevant to the national picture for a while.

    With the right coaching hire I can see no reason we would be mediocre for 2-5 years. It all depends on who the coach is next year.