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To get the B1G to 16 schools??
WV and Pitt?? KU and Mizzou?? Is their any chance we can still get ND???
I would take KSU over KU. Better football team
I say no to all the above.
Pitt & WVU bring nothing table as far as I'm concerned and I believe ND just renewed their TV contract with NBC so I don't think they are going anywhere.
If I was Delany I would try and sabotage the GOR deal the ACC is trying to implement and steal some teams from there.
If not then I think Delany should sit patiently for a while until another opportunity presents its self.
I doubt it's notre dame. They seem too pompous and ignorant to do that plus they just signed a long term tv deal. I would think that Missouri and Kansas would be our best bets.
Assuming the binding nature of the GOR's out there are in fact iron clad, then I say nobody. In fact, I think we should be trying our hardest to get out of this deal with MD and Rutgers. But I accept that isn't going to happen.
ND is off the table not only because they have been telling us they have no interest in us, but didn't they also sign the GOR with the ACC for the non-football sports? Even still, they certainly extended their contract with NBC. So I'm not sure what their draw to the B1G is at this point.
Mizzou was likely never on the table in the first place. They were practically begging the B1G to take them in years ago and we shunned them. Why would they all of a sudden leave the sweet deal they have with the SEC? Better yet, why would we all of a sudden change our minds about Mizzou when we didn't want them originally?
WV in no way meets our business model.
Kansas and Pitt would be worse than MD and Rutgers.
The only people on the table that we should even consider is Johns Hopkins. And thats just for non-revenue sports. Specifically lacrosse...
I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters.
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
Texas and Okla.
I like sitting patiently , but I doubt that happens with the prospect of increased revenue looking him in the mouth.
Kansas and Oklahoma would keep all states bording one another; adding Mizzou and Texas afterwards for an 18-team conference would too. Personally, I'd prefer giving Maryland and Rutgers back and sticking with 12. Since we're at 14 though, KU brings top 5 historic basketball and OU brings top 5 football. Neither however bring tv sets (OU doesn't do much for academics either).
We are NEVER getting Texas...not with ESPN controlling the Longhorn Network. As the dominoes fall, Oklahoma is not going anywhere without Texas, and also won't leave OK St swinging in the wind. IF you see them leave/fold the Big 12, they will take OK St & Texas Tech with them to the Pac 12 (or the SEC if Missouri were to jump to the B1G).
I think we see Missouri & Kansas. That takes the entire mid-Plains TV market. And while that's not ideal, it doesn't look like the B1G can make any more in-roads on the Atlantic coast.
Why in the hell would you try to get out of the deal with UMD and Rutgers? That is beyond stupid. They bring big media markets, especially Maryland.
Kansas and Missouri make the most sense right now with what is left.
You'd have UT, OU and Neb in the west to offset OSU, UM and PSU.
I like Kansas and Missouri. they have played in BCS games in the last six years. but i wouldnt completely rule out Oklahoma leaving OK St. look at other situations where schools in the same state dont want to play in the same confrence. South Carolina/ Clemson, Texas/ Texas am, Penn St/ Pitt, Florida/ Florida St. Sometimes once your apart its better for both.
"Leaders & Legends? Really? How about just name the divisions, Ohio State & everyone else." -Colin Cowherd
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Listen, I know you think your reason is beyond refute. But that gives you no reason to shell out the attitude. Your impression of what is stupid is completely different from my impression. I am polite about my opinions. You should be the same. Your aggressive stance on these things is precisely the problem with people trolling on other threads.
1. I don't believe the addition of those TV markets is going to be this enormous payout that you do. I think the massive dilution alone will be reason enough we only see marginal growth. I don't think BTN will be on the standard package for every TV set in the market.
2. I'm not prioritizing money here. I don't think that the B1G is starving for money. So even if we see some flood of income coming to the schools, I don't believe the end justifies the means because of #3. I don't care if our income doubles as a result of adding these schools. If the quality of the product we produce is not improved, then selfishly I think its a bad move.
3. These schools aren't in the least bit anything to get excited over. If anything they are a joke as far as quality expansion. In no way whatsoever do fans of major revenue sports respect us or have gotten excited about us as a result of the addition of Rutgers and Maryland. If anything, fans have even less of an opinion of us right now. Therefore, brand equity is likely taking a major hit.
4. Do we even have fan buy-in from these schools? Much of the response has come across as negative. This also doesn't help with brand equity.
I respect the fact that you see it differently. I respect that you care about the $. I'm a businessman too. But I'm not a fan of the B1G because our conference has good margins and profitable athletic departments. Maybe you are. Good for you. Not me.
I'm a fan of the B1G because of the quality of product we put on the field. AT BEST, these schools are projects. Its going to take a long time for them to fix their internal issues with the money they'll be bringing in. Especially Maryland who might have to fork over a big exit fee. Once they are finally a well oiled machine its still going to take a while for them to improve their product.
I see why you are excited and I understand where you see the value. And I'm not calling you wrong. But I certainly disagree with your opinion. And no way is my opinion "stupid".
Doesn't the Big 12 have Grant of Rights for their member schools as well? Wouldn't that eliminate Kansas?
None and they should cancel the plans to invite Rutgers and Maryland. Getting bigger so the rich presidents can get richer doesn't benefit the fans at all. Expanding just to expand sucks.
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