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espnBigTenBlog: "Big Ten Coaches heed Meyer Challenge"

  • (Can I get an Amen?)

    " Big Ten teams are spending more ( http://bit.ly/WVmTjW ) on recruiting than ever."

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    B1G coaches should heed Meyer challenge
    February, 8, 2013 AM ET
    Adam Rittenberg | Espn.com

    From the moment Urban Meyer became Ohio State's coach, the Big Ten recruiting landscape began to shift.

    How many times in the past 14 months have you read about the "Meyer Effect" or the "SEC-style recruiting" Meyer has brought to a stodgy league? Meyer made a splash during the weeks after his hiring by flipping several recruits who had been committed to other Big Ten programs, leading some to criticize him for violating the mythical agreement between Big Ten coaches to leave recruits alone. Meyer engaged in less intra-league recruit-flipping in the most recent recruiting cycle. He merely signed a decorated class that stacks up with any in the country.

    Ohio State's recruiting is on the upswing. The same goes for the Buckeyes' archrival, Michigan, which also signed a top-10 class Wednesday. But the rest of the Big Ten isn't nearly as relevant on the national scale. The Big Ten had only four classes rank in the top 25 Insider ( http://es.pn/11TONE7 ), according to ESPN Recruiting Nation. While some classes drew better marks from other recruiting services, no one can argue the Big Ten is the nation's bigwig recruiting conference. In fact, it's probably fourth behind the SEC, ACC and Big 12.

    Meyer thinks this is a big problem. How big? He intends to address recruiting directly with the other Big Ten coaches when they hold their annual business meeting Monday at league headquarters in Park Ridge, Ill.

    As you've likely heard by now, Meyer told 97.1 The Fan in Columbus ( http://bit.ly/12yxicr ) on Thursday that the Big Ten needs to pick it up ( http://bit.ly/12yx4C5 ) on the recruiting trail.

    "Our whole conversation [at the Big Ten coaches meeting] needs to be about 'How do we recruit?'" he told the radio station. "When you see 11 of the SEC teams are in the top 25 that’s something that we need to continue to work on and improve."

    He called the recruiting discussion "essential," and he'll spearhead it Monday.

    How will his colleagues react? Meyer is relatively new to the Big Ten (although so are most of the league coaches), and he hasn't exactly made a ton of friends with his recruiting approach. These coaches are competitive, prideful men, and they might not respond well to a guy challenging their recruiting performance, even if that guy is, for the most part, getting the better of them on the trail. They don't want to be told how to do their jobs.

    Expect a few eye-rolls in Park Ridge on Monday.

    But the recruiting discussion is important, along with the many other big-ticket items -- number of league games, future division alignment, etc. -- that must be addressed. The current approach around the league doesn't seem to be working all that well. And while Meyer might not be Mr. Popular, he's also the only guy in the room to have won a national championship as a head coach (two of them, in fact). He's a fiercely competitive recruiter who emphasizes and embraces the process. And he also went 12-0 in his first season as a Big Ten coach.

    How can the Big Ten collectively improve in recruiting? There's no easy answer, but there's no doubt the league has to improve. Campuses can't be relocated, but strategies can be changed. As Scott Dochterman detailed, Big Ten teams are spending more ( http://bit.ly/WVmTjW ) on recruiting than ever.

    It'll be fascinating to see how Meyer's challenge is received. Every Big Ten coach understands recruiting is important. But the Big Ten culture is still largely rooted in player development, and there are quite a few coaches in the league who are turned off by elements of recruiting, whether it's the star system, the hat dances on signing day or recruits committing and decommitting left and right. Ask yourself: How many Big Ten coaches truly love recruiting? Now compare that number to the coaches in the SEC and ACC.

    Meyer is one of the few Big Ten coaches I've covered who often references the star system when discussing recruits. Does that make him a better recruiter? No. But he's very much aware of the modern recruiting landscape -- the good, the bad and definitely the ugly -- and doesn't dismiss it as nonsense. Michigan's Brady Hoke also has this awareness, although he's much more understated about it.

    Meyer doesn't have all the answers, but his approach works. Like it or not, the Big Ten coaches should embrace the recruiting discussion. Something has to change.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/71255/b1g-coaches-should-heed-meyers-challenge

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  • Urban seems to know all the answers to me. Dude is unreal good. The only thing that could stop this group of coaches and future players is urban burning out, assistants leaving in mass, or some dumb ass booster can't stop himself from being a Jock sniffer.

  • That covers 3 of them.
    Health being the other.

    As for your 3rd mention above...Perhaps it's time for the "davebucknut dumb-ass booster oversight & investigation squad" to take charge, hit the pavement, and threaten to name names.
    Who cares if it takes on a McCarthy-look. Let's call it being pro-active :-)

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  • AMEN

    "Meyer doesn't have all the answers, but his approach works. Like it or not, the Big Ten coaches should embrace the recruiting discussion. Something has to change"

    This post was edited by Griffinfeb 14 months ago

  • Suck it up conference........it's time for some tough love.....

    Who's your daddy?!?

    buckeyes

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  • One would assume the "old guard" coaches (Dantonio, Ferentz, etc.) would be among the eye-rollers, but I see a change in the type of coach the B1G has been hiring lately. Some of those new coaches will embrace the concept and jump in with all four feet, while some will act as if they don't care and then later join the others. The coaches who act as if they are listening will continue to think they can take second-tier recruits and make them into champions.
    If I were a coach in the B1G I would go in right behind OSU and scUM and offer the same guys and any talented teammates they might have. Never offered, never committed.
    Perception is reality - if an Illinois, Indiana, etc. is out there spanning the globe with all the big boys, then they will be perceived as one of the big boys.

  • I would absolutely agree about Dantonio rolling his eyes. I'm not so sure about Ferentz though. I feel like he would be a natural fit for the new concept. Have you ever heard him talk? The guy sounds like a used car salesman. It just feels like recruiting should be his thing. As for the rest of them, I agree that you can't win if you don't play the game. And who cares if you're only Illinois? Hell, half of building a resume is embellishing or exagerrating details and getting someone to believe in you. These guys need to toot their own horns. Carry yourself like you're the most important person the potential recruit has ever met. Hype up your university. That's how you get a big name. Hype. Hell when LSU won a title right after Florida in 2007, ESPN was already spinning and hyping the SEC brand as the godfathers of football. And guess what. Their approach worked. Everyone has been buying into the hype and throwing around terms like "SEC speed" and "SEC style defense." I love the philosophy. Build the hype Big Ten. Fix the perception.

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  • The thing that I don't understand is how the other schools are using the massive amount of money each B1G school receives each year for being part of the conference. It's expected to exceed 30M on the Athletic side and 2-3 times that for the academic side. Why each school won't pony up a small piece of that for recruiting and assistants is beyond me. We have other universities fighting to get in and be part of that revenue stream. The current schools need to earn their place at the trough.

    UChicago got booted in the 40s when they wouldn't keep pace with the rest of the conference in investment in athletics. At some point there are current B1G members that may have to face the same choice to get them moving.

    Edit: No worries Gessig! Same thing happened with my post and Bax's. Concurrent typing. Between the 3 of us, we nailed it.

    This post was edited by NetBuck 14 months ago

  • It's amazing, mainly because we are aware of just how hard Urban Meyer's staff hit it this year, it was an Alabama guy who 247Sports recognized as their recruiter of the year. Mike Groh.
    Someday though. By example those 3 lead (OSU//Mich/PSU) and the rest will respond or they won't.

    Bax, if they don't respond, isn't it time we start penalizing them?
    If they aren't going to kick it up the notch needed, why are they getting equal $$?

    EDIT to say: "Netbuck, while I was typing, thenn entered my post, I see ours correlate. Sorry for the stepping on of toes :-)"

    This post was edited by gessig 14 months ago

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  • Mr. Delaney should be echoing what the Urbanator is preaching here....Heed his advice or suffer the consequences come bowl season.

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  • Jeff Svoboda ‏@JeffSvoboda

    OSU's final stars-per-player ranking also rises to 4.04. That's not bad at all.

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  • Qoute while other coaches in the B1G roll there eye's about their ruhcruit'n aproach as UFM addresses them......Really roll your eye's do so at your own peril B1G thats ok we'll carry the torch here at OSUbuckeyesbiggrin

    This post was edited by TheBuckeyenut 14 months ago

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    Killing SCUM just to watch it die!!!!....."De Oppresso Libre"

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    If Jerry Kill rolls his eyes someone better call 911...

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