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I beg the differ and this is why. PSU made millions of dollars by recruiting the best players, (who would have otherwise chosen a different path had they known of the abuses) accepted millions in donations from alumni, bowl game appearances (that add recognition and awards) and more importantly, collected millions in taxpayer’s dollars (they otherwise would have not received if the abuses were known) as they choose to cover up these terrible crimes. The administration broke the cardinal rule “Do NO HARM TO a CHILD” to stay above suspicion and protect the universities reputation. Law enforcement and child protection services were not told of these crimes or the history of Sandusky with respect to his interactions with children while on campus. This is without a doubt the most dissectible behavior by any administration to whitewash, plan, camouflage to the level of a collusion. If this isn’t a lack of institutional control or behavior that constitute expulsion, what the hell does. Anyone who believes PSU didn’t benefit from the smokescreen of lies, deception, deceit and betrayal of these children and the world had to have their head up you know where. Moreover, they (the administration) continued the scheme by not providing law enforcement and the grand jury with crucial evidence central to the case. Like the case file and email records the VP of campus operation had in his office. I would not go as far as to say life- long ban but it would be a punishment that if repeated would make any other university quiver.

Here is what I wrote earlier today in the other Sandusky thread regarding the NCAA. Just my own opinion.

"The NCAA will 100% be involved. They are already involved. Read the letter from the NCAA to Penn State.

In their letter they outlined how they can hammer them, and cite how they have past cases on their books proving it.

The biggest thing is the NCAA said in their letter is they are going to let the legal process play out but they fully intend to use the Fed's, State, and Grand Jury evidence against Penn State. The reason this is a big deal is because the NCAA does not have supeona power, and people don't have to talk to them so they are letting law enforcement due the investigation for them.

If you don't think this mess affects the football program and by covering it up doesn't affect the actual football team and the competitive spirit of the game. You only have to look at last year when Urban Meyer raided their class. Once news broke of this recruits jumped ship, well guess what if the news would have broken 10 years ago or 98 then chances are SOME of the elite recruits they landed wouldn't had went to Penn State."

So the NCAA is ok with child molestation on campus facilities but putting a recruits socks in an unauthorized gym bag is big trouble? Sounds logical. I wish Congress would forcibly disband thr ncaa.

You may feel and want it to NOT be an NCAA issue, but it is clearly an NCAA issue from an ethics standpoint in that they did not do two things:

They had an active at the time in 98 coach suspected of a crime and allowed him to retire rather than report it.
Second, they allowed the coach to continue to use athletic department facilities where he committed more crimes in susequent years.

Bones10 says it all right there below...just like a school teacher or a nurse, you are bound by a higher standard than other citizens because coaches and school administrators like nurses and teachers, have high levels of interaction with people the law consider to be in vulnerable situations. Whether it is the elderly you work with or young children. Nurses for example need to have an FBI background check. The NCAA standard bye-laws are right in line with this.

Sorry Cinci, there is NO WAY they dont get some type of punishment. Thats why this whole thing will go on for several years. We have the trial now, we have state and fed investigations, we will have a good many lawsuits for several years. Privately, school officials should be canvassing money from contributors to pay for this legal fund they are going to need. If they just settle maybe they can be done within 3 or 4 years,

Hypothetical.... Retired decorated and respected PSU geology professor with access to the university Physical Science building uses said building after-hours to sodomize dozens of middle school kids students he is mentoring. He is subsequently discovered in the act by a grad student ( hoping for a position in the dept) who reports it to the head of the Dept.

Question- would the university, for humane reasons, choose to bury the act ?

The ncaa will get involved and penn state will probably get hammered. But i could careless about that. The student athletes did nothing wrong.

We are talking about years of covering up child rape! The football program just happened to be the vehicle. Giving penn state the death penalty doesnt give the victems any solace. Seeing the case tbrough and make sure every guilty party is punished does......some.

This goes way beyond the football program ....this is a university ....a state funded university problem. The university is bigger than the town and county in which it is. They were willing to cover up and employ a child rapist in order to keep that image. This isnt paying a recruit, this isnt free gifts....this is a level of corruption and sickness that most of us couldnt think to be real.

The Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Policy and Campus Crime Statistics Act or Clery Act is a federal statute codified at 20 U.S.C. § 1092(f), with implementing regulations in the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations at 34 C.F.R. 668.46.

The Clery Act requires all colleges and universities that participate in federal financial aid programs to keep and disclose information about crime on and near their respective campuses. Compliance is monitored by the United States Department of Education, which can impose civil penalties, up to $27,500 per violation, against institutions for each infraction and can suspend institutions from participating in federal student financial aid programs.

The law is named for Jeanne Clery, a 19-year-old Lehigh University freshman who was raped and murdered in her campus residence hall in 1986. The backlash against unreported crimes on numerous campuses across the country led to the Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Policy and Campus Crime Statistics Act. [1] The Clery Act, signed in 1990, was originally known as the Crime Awareness and Campus Security Act.

I think there are things that are not being considered. The NCAA has a statute of limitations, 4 or 6 years, I cannot remember which, but I believe its 4 years. That alone really puts things into question as to what possible violations could be included as a part of any investigation into PSU. Another factor is what evidence would there be for these violations that occurred within that time frame.

I think alot of people are getting ahead of themselves thinking the NCAA (a) can and (b) will get involved here. I think both of those things are very questionable based on what information is publicly available.