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More conference growth? North Carolina to the B1G? The People's Champ examines how it could all affect the fabric of the football tradition ...
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Another VERY well-reasoned article Bax. I have been ruminating along these lines myself, though I haven't gone to this depth. Maybe because of 62 years of realizing that if you want to figure out why the why's of seemingly arcane/idiotic policy (choose your adjective here), you will always be close to the truth if you just "follow the Benjamin Trail".
This post was edited by ModestoBuck on 2/22/2013 at 10:33 AM
Thx Bax. Looking forward to the future... "Big Ten" needs a new name.
I pretty much agree with your sentiments.
Expansion is exciting and good drama to an extent, but I don't like the eastern schools coming into our mid-western conference.
Even worse is the thought that we get pulled away from the rest of the B1G and into the eastern vacuum.....just because.
I favor the addition of ND and Tejas. Those are my favorite, most logical choices.
I feel you Bax!!
While it does sound exciting to take some Roadies to trounce the new schools, that will get old quick when we lose out on playing familiar foe's.
HOWEVER, It will be fun to see Coach K cry when he losses another basketball rival though.
This post was edited by ballkings on 2/22/2013 at 4:24 PM
Final.........NC..........VIRGINA..........FSU (applying for AU status - all of a sudden recruiting OHIO with wreckless force - don't want to be in the same conference as Florida)..........GT.........ND.........CLEM.
The first time I read (heard?) there could possibly be 20 schools in the B1G and that there could be four of these "Super-conferences," I went "WTF?" That would mean 9 games in a division and no more than 3 OOC. Conferences would be so diluted and dispersed it would take 8 to 10 years to play one of your traditional opponents that is now in the other division. I think 18 would be a good number to stop at. If UNC and UVA join, we should look to the west to get the other two.
As distasteful as it would be, we could always take in ND.
all I can say Bax is you get it! I am not happy with the direction of the Big 10. I like me some basketball but football is the pride and passion of this league.
Money is going to talk but the fans are not going to be too happy about it.
I could care less right due to the fact that many B1G team are not interested in being competitive. I would rather play UNC VA or even BC instead of Iowa... They are an embarrassment
It is insanity. The NCAA and or federal government should cap conference size at 12 teams or better yet 10 . 20 teams is not a conference, it is a association where you might not play some of the teams in your own conference for years. It's sickening.
no more expanding and the idea of 10 league games (i.e. no good cross-sectional game) is horrible.
Change the conference name to the 'Big X' where X is a variable that represents whatever number of teams you happen to have at a given point in time . And X is the Roman numeral for 10 so it harkens back to the soon to be gone past.
This post was edited by BlueHenBuckeye on 2/22/2013 at 11:37 AM
Most have a hard time with change. Its human nature. Reality is that is here and it's only going to get crazier. It's about money and eyeballs watching the tube. That's not necessary a bad thing. The Big ten will be by far the richest conference and very will positioned in basketball and when it comes to football, we know that there's really only about a dozen teams that have a legit shot at winning a national championship every year. The playoff will be huge in rating and money which will eventually increase it to a 6 or 8 team playoff. It's going to be fun
Do you want to drive the bus or be like Gunga Din and walk behind the Elephant....
Good writeup Bax, as usual. I agree with you on nearly everything. Unfortunately, I have resolved myself to accepting what is coming. I have come to realize that the universities DO NOT care at all about what the fans think, and football is not in the top three considerations when looking at expansion. It is very simple...... ALL that matters is the money.... and the BTN is at the top of the money machine, and is based solely on the number of additional viewers that can be added in specific markets. If a school does not bring in additional BTN subscribers, they are not invited to join. The only exception may be ND. Next consideraton is research dollars, and the academic standing comes into play.
This is all about money. Universities are not there to make fans, they only care about BIG profits for the ones that reap the benefits (and it is not us fans). It has been obvious for years based on the relentless double digit annual increases in tuition, even as we went thru a recession. Supply and demand, and make as much money as posible. JMHO.....
This watering down of Big 10 football in order to add funds to the Big ten Network makes $$$ for execs at network ,Delaney and his crew, AD's ,etc. ...What does it do for FANS and PLAYERS?
Rutgers?? Hold out for Tex or N.D. or some other team of actual relevance!!
North Carolina does not belong in the Big Ten. The Tarheels will feel like foreigners.This is why.. People belong with their own kind. And most Carolinians aren't transplanted New Yorkers or Buckeyes. They are hot-weather-barbecued Southerners who grew up in the pines. They love their area's unique basketball heritage.. Many Penn Staters still feel like strangers in the Big10 for the past two decades..Most midwesterners will never truly embrace the tradition of "Tabacco road" and most Carolinians will never enbrace the tradition of "Ohio State/ Michigan"..I hope we do not ruin the special traditions and the built-in rivalries of college sports..I just hope that everyone will finally get back home to the regional conferences where they really belong.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by gessig on 2/22/2013 at 12:06 PM
I assume the logo change to B1G made it obvious that 16 teams was the goal. UNC and UVA would be contiguous and setup east and west conferences. UNC is only a good coach away from being a football contender. Truth be told I'm kind of done with the annual Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa, Indiana, etc. matchups and would welcome the new schools.
That would be awesome if NC joins. I am a buckeye living in NC and would love to see them play here. Even better if Duke or NC State comes along . . .
People talk about how these deals will make the league rich. Whats the point of making more money through expansion if osu, um, psu neb are the only ones who will actually put that money back into their football programs?
Lucky 333777 Sounds like the new conference name is THE TWIN TEN. I have no real desire to get ND. They are the most overrated program in the land. They are trading on success that is 30 years old. If we do take them, I would hope we would not do what the morons in the Big East and the ACC did. "Gee, we will take you and let you keep all your football money." Without football, and arguably with it, Notre Dame has no attraction. They have jilted us time and again. I do not know why scUM and Mich State and Purdue has allowed them to be quasi-Big Ten members in the past. Those arrogant sobs can play AF, Army and Navy twice a year in football, compete for the Commander-in-Chief's trophy if they like and fill in the rest of their schedule with Illinois State, UTEP and BYU. I guess to sum up, I would say if they dont wanna play ball. Then dont play ball.
This from a fan who graduated from a Columbus area Catholic High School and grew up rooting for the Golden Domers but their misplaced arrogance has worn thin through the years.
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