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FRR: Why Is The Defense Inept?

  • rugbybuckeye said...

    Didn't say you weren't right about those two plays, I am saying our defensive problem is more complicated than firing Fickell. Did you not hear what Urban's reasoning were??? He said the have fine coaches but EVERYONE needs to get better and that we are thin as hell in the back 7, PLUS, are frosh LBers are lost. It's scheme, philosophy, attrition and youth that is making our defense as difficult to watch as our offense was last year...

    When did I say to fire Fickell. When, exactly. That's right. I didn't. I wouldn't. But he isn't seeing what some of us ARE seeing. That's all I can say.

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  • jacraigo said...

    Do you seriously think its that simple to fix things? Do you really think you're seeing things that the coaches haven't? Is it maybe possible that you don't really know the whole story about what the problems have been with the attempts to fix the defensive shortcomings? When things seem so obvious you can bet they're not.

    Answer key:

    1) Yes. It's called coaching. Not cheerleading. Coaching makes the changes. Cheerleading hopes for changes.

    2) Yes. I understand the game very well. You don't have to go to tOSU and play for John Cooper, coach for Jim Tressel and then take a team to 6-7 to understand how a defense is supposed to work.

    3) that's not even a valid question. What are you, a conspiracy theorist? This isn't rocket science. Fick has the keys to a really nice Porsche and he's choosing to drive the Hybrid to save gas.

    4) No. Things are very obvious. Very obvious. Very obvious. Did I mention it's very obvious?

    This post was edited by Duplic8tor on 10/15/2012 at 10:47 PM

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    When did I say to fire Fickell. When, exactly. That's right. I didn't. I wouldn't. But he isn't seeing what some of us ARE seeing. That's all I can say.

    I agree with your breakdown with the plays but do not agree that Fickell' is not seeing it. I think that the players are not seeing it and that is why he is so frustrated. Football is a game of inches especially when you are not athletically superior. If you need to drop 6 yards to a hole and you drop 7 and let a speed WR under you you end up with a touchdown. I don't doubt for one min the coaches don't see it. The question is what adjustments in game plan are they going to make if the players aren't seeing it?

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  • rugbybuckeye said...

    Did you not hear what Urban's reasoning were??? He said the have fine coaches but EVERYONE needs to get better and that we are thin as hell in the back 7...

    Urban is not going to out and out throw the coaching staff on the ground. He isn't saying what he's really thinking. Yes, before you ask, Urban called and told me that.

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    I didn't say it was easy. I said it seems more elementary every time I go back through it. If you're disagreeing, then tell me what the problem is with the defense. Buehler.... Buehler... I thought so.

    Not "easy" but its "elementary"... OK.... Again my point was if you can see it, the coaches can and have seen it. These are experienced football guys. I'm saying the solutions are probably much more complicated than you make this out to be. I have no solution because I'm not in practice every day and have no idea what the player challenges are to making this better. Nor do you so as I said, I'm sure there's a lot more to it than you think.

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  • mortuarybuck said...

    I agree with your breakdown with the plays but do not agree that Fickell' is not seeing it. I think that the players are not seeing it and that is why he is so frustrated. Football is a game of inches especially when you are not athletically superior. If you need to drop 6 yards to a hole and you drop 7 and let a speed WR under you you end up with a touchdown. I don't doubt for one min the coaches don't see it. The question is what adjustments in game plan are they going to make if the players aren't seeing it?

    True. All I'm saying is, by pressuring the right way, strategically, you get to the passer before that 6-7 yard route has a chance to develop. We allow receivers and backs to run wild all across the field and with no pressure on the QB, every backup QB in the country could pick us apart.

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  • jacraigo said...

    Not "easy" but its "elementary"... OK.... Again my point was if you can see it, the coaches can and have seen it. These are experienced football guys. I'm saying the solutions are probably much more complicated than you make this out to be. I have no solution because I'm not in practice every day and have no idea what the player challenges are to making this better. Nor do you so as I said, I'm sure there's a lot more to it than you think.

    I'm not trying to disagree with you. Fact is, I understand what you're saying. But, if we subscribe to what you're saying... that there is an "unknown" somewhere that no one would understand unless you are named Fickell or Withers, then there is no point in having this discussion. Let's just see if they "see it" this Saturday.

    Fact is, respectfully, I disagree with your assumption there is some unknown. Why? Because they plugged in a FB to play LB at The Ohio State University. Has that ever been done in my lifetime? Not to my knowledge. This tells me they don't know what to do other than put guys on the field that want to make a play. And props to Boren for that. What is lighting up this entire board, not just this topic, is that Fickell IS DOING NOTHING DIFFERENT. An earlier post adequately stated we made NO adjustments at halftime and the defense Indiana saw in the first half, they shredded even more in the second half because of it. That is not personnel. That is not injuries. That is not Meyer (because he hasn't yet snatched the reigns from Fickell and/or Withers). THAT is our DC's.

    This post was edited by Duplic8tor on 10/15/2012 at 10:55 PM

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  • rugbybuckeye said...

    Didn't say you weren't right about those two plays, I am saying our defensive problem is more complicated than firing Fickell. Did you not hear what Urban's reasoning were??? He said the have fine coaches but EVERYONE needs to get better and that we are thin as hell in the back 7, PLUS, are frosh LBers are lost. It's scheme, philosophy, attrition and youth that is making our defense as difficult to watch as our offense was last year...

    I believe the practice up to the game is not the major problem. I believe it is the in-game chess match between our DC and their OC that is the ultimate (not the only) deficiency. Think about it. When something is not working for an offense they go to something different, try and disguise what they're doing. The chess match during the game is KEY for any coach - particularly the OC and the DC, not the HC. We are not staying a step ahead of the opposing offense. If we were, we'd be able to anticipate what moves they would make. Perhaps (seriously) Fickell lacks in this area.

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    I'm not trying to disagree with you. Fact is, I understand what you're saying. But, if we subscribe to what you're saying... that there is an "unknown" somewhere that no one would understand unless you are named Fickell or Withers, then there is no point in having this discussion. Let's just see if they "see it" this Saturday.

    Fact is, respectfully, I disagree with your assumption there is some unknown. Why? Because they plugged in a FB to play LB at The Ohio State University. Has that ever been done in my lifetime? Not to my knowledge. This tells me they don't know what to do other than put guys on the field that want to make a play. And props to Boren for that. What is lighting up this entire board, not just this topic, is that Fickell IS DOING NOTHING DIFFERENT. An earlier post adequately stated we made NO adjustments at halftime and the defense Indiana saw in the first half, they shredded even more in the second half because of it. That is not personnel. That is not injuries. That is not Meyer (because he hasn't yet snatched the reigns from Fickell and/or Withers). THAT is our DC's.

    I'm merely stating that the players may not be able to change to the schemes you're suggesting as easily as you think. With all the LB injuries that apparently occurred last week and the inability to practice, changes may have been seriously limited. No mystical unknown but we shouldn't be so sure of our condemnation without having all the facts. I am as frustrated as you about the continuing ineptitude of this group but I think there's plenty of blame to go around - and none of it helpful.

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  • jacraigo said...

    I'm merely stating that the players may not be able to change to the schemes you're suggesting as easily as you think. With all the LB injuries that apparently occurred last week and the inability to practice, changes may have been seriously limited. No mystical unknown but we shouldn't be so sure of our condemnation without having all the facts. I am as frustrated as you about the continuing ineptitude of this group but I think there's plenty of blame to go around - and none of it helpful.

    Fair enough. However, the only facts that need to be known are: 49 points, 500 yards of offense. And it wasn't an aberration. It is a trend. Here's how I isolated the problem:

    INJURIES - If you think injuries are the main problem, fine. That means that earlier games had better defense right? No. All the earlier games had similar or same results. Even though Miami of Ohio turned into a Blowout, their QB THREW FOR MORE THAN 300 YARDS. So, unfortunately, there was no difference BEFORE the injuries. Also, we've given up 2,800 yards of offense YTD, to the tune of 400 yards per game. That would place us 10th out of 12 in defense in the B1G which doesn't have any teams other than us in the top 25. ....... yikes.

    PERSONNEL - If you think personnel is the problem... As well-stated earlier in this topic, we are using last year's players. #1 - Last year's schedule was much more difficult. #2 - last year's defense gave up only 328 yards per game, and we lost 7 games. So, while there are injuries... and while there are personnel that are not executing, this can't be the problem.

    COACHING - This is the problem. Not calling for Fickell's head. However, this is what proves coaching is the problem: Last year, we gave up less ypg and ppg than this year - by far. Heacock called the plays. Heacock was the DC no matter who was the interim coach. this year? Same players. Same talent. Different scheme. No adjustments. Heacock was good at halftime adjustments. Last year, against the pass, we gave up an average of 186 ypg. This year, we average giving up 278 ypg. In contrast, we are giving up LESS rushing yards than last year. 2012 = 122 ypg; 2011 = 142 ypg.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Duplic8tor on 10/15/2012 at 11:33 PM

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    Fair enough. However, the only facts that need to be known are: 49 points, 500 yards of offense. And it wasn't an aberration. It is a trend. Here's how I had to isolate the problem:

    INJURIES - If you think injuries are the main problem, fine. That would be easy to prove if earlier games almost all of them didn't have similar or same results. We've given up 2,800 yards of offense to the tune of 400 yards per game. That would place us 10th out of 12 in defense in the B1G which doesn't have any teams other than us in the top 25. Ahemm....

    You'll get no argument from me that our D sucks... The discussion was about fixing it and how difficult that should be. We were thin on experienced LB's and now thinner. The best of the inexperienced ones went down last week too. Hard to make changes especially in-game adjustments with FB at LB. A functioning Curtis Grant makes most of this go away. Not sure who failed more there - player or coach.

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  • MrTbuck said...

    Shazier would be a great safety. I wonder where else he would be playing LB, especially with the lack of talent we have there. I respect our coaches for not criticizing individuals to the public, but I wonder what they are saying when they sit around and discuss the issue.

    Give me a break have u guys bin watching any College football? ?? ALABAMA,LSU,GLORIDA AND SOUTH CAROLINA PLAY DEFENSE. THATS IT! !! BOISI AND BYU A LITTLE BIT NOBODY ELSE

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