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How long has the B1G maintained the 25 a year 85 schollie limit?

  • I had a conversation with a guy at work today (I reside in Alabama) who was telling me how the SEC was implementing a 25 a year schollie limit. After I gave him a look of "and?" he went on to tell me how the SEC was the only conference to do this. I had to laugh in his face and enlighten him on the fact that the B1G has been doing this for years. I think fans down here are starting to hear more and more about oversigning (especially Saban) so I will now start hearing about how the rest of the country can't hang with the SEC so they are going to limit them. Little do they know that we have been implementing these rules on ourselves for several years.

    I was trying to do some research on how long we have in fact been following these rules. Does anyone know when we began this limitation?

    ddrouillard

  • ddrouillard said...

    I had a conversation with a guy at work today (I reside in Alabama) who was telling me how the SEC was implementing a 25 a year schollie limit. After I gave him a look of "and?" he went on to tell me how the SEC was the only conference to do this. I had to laugh in his face and enlighten him on the fact that the B1G has been doing this for years. I think fans down here are starting to hear more and more about oversigning (especially Saban) so I will now start hearing about how the rest of the country can't hang with the SEC so they are going to limit them. Little do they know that we have been implementing these rules on ourselves for several years.

    I was trying to do some research on how long we have in fact been following these rules. Does anyone know when we began this limitation?

    Those numbers are NCAA numbers however the driver is the 85 as conferences allow over signing if necessary to maintain the 85. What the SEC has said is that they will conform more to the 25 which supposedly stops their oversigning. I don't believe it will because the SEC will grant liberal waivers.

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  • This is one thing I found but it doesn't sound like it is limited to just the B1G.

    15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS]

    There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution.

    (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)

    It looks like this became effective back in 91 unless Im misreading something. How has the SEC and any conference been going over the 25 per year limit for so long without repercussions? I guess I have little understanding on this issue.

    ddrouillard

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  • ddrouillard said...

    I had a conversation with a guy at work today (I reside in Alabama) who was telling me how the SEC was implementing a 25 a year schollie limit. After I gave him a look of "and?" he went on to tell me how the SEC was the only conference to do this. I had to laugh in his face and enlighten him on the fact that the B1G has been doing this for years. I think fans down here are starting to hear more and more about oversigning (especially Saban) so I will now start hearing about how the rest of the country can't hang with the SEC so they are going to limit them. Little do they know that we have been implementing these rules on ourselves for several years.

    I was trying to do some research on how long we have in fact been following these rules. Does anyone know when we began this limitation?

    in the SEC it was 28 until last year when they voted to enforce the NCAA guidelines of 25 at their Spring Conference meetings! They had no such numerical limitation at all until just a couple years before that. Once Houston Nutt took an unholy 37 in 2009 they set the 28 limit. Once they saw that a limit was not a significant obstacle to oversigning they accepted 25.

    To be precise the 25 we are talking about is an annual 'signing limit' not a 'scholarship limit'. The NCAA's caps are 25 'counters' per year. 'Counters' are determined at the start of the following football season. Those students who 1st year players, enrolled for the fall quarter. So 25 stays the same while the definition changes.

    For instance. OSU currently has 25 kids in this 'recruiting class' (a generic term). With 6 early enrollees in the fall quarter, OSU had only 19 'signees' in the class (no where near the standing Big 10, and new SEC rule, limit). As it stands, OSU will have only 18 'counters' next fall. Luke Roberts is a spring enrollee so he is a signee but will already have a quarter of school under his belt. The other 7 can count toward that year or the previous year depending on when members of the outgoing class departed. It's a rule with endless variable making it complex but malleable. So there are subtle, extremely important distinctions!

    Unlike the SEC the Big 10, I believe has:
    ~A hard cap of 28 football enrollees in an offseason (there is no hard cap in the SEC)
    ~An additional 'signing' limitation of the number of outgoing seniors plus three (so OSU had 17 seniors? meaning 20 is the hard cap)
    ~A 4 year contract implemented by 9 of the 12 programs and recommended by the conference (as opposed to the year to year scholarship defined by the NCAA (and interpreted literally by Spurrier and others)
    ~A rule against oversigning (exceeding the 85 limit at any point - the SEC has no policy so schools can have 100 players on scholarship so long as the have 85 come next football season)
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