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If Georgia wins can there still be an all SEC Championship?

  • If Georgia beats LSU they get the auto bid and the way I understand it each conference can only have 2 representatives in BCS bowls. Besides is it even feasible to think 2 teams that didnt even win their conference belong in the National Championship?

    ddrouillard

  • i dont see why not

    kleintime16 ●

  • I've heard LSU wont drop

    boognish

  • boognish said...

    I've heard LSU wont drop

    so losing to a team ranked 14th doesnt drop LSU? What sense does that make? Not arguing with you but that doesn't make any sense imo.

    ddrouillard

  • If UGA wins the SEC will have three teams in the BCS, this is the only way that scenario is ever allowed to happen. LSU and Bama in the NCG and Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.

    LSU has clearly earned a spot in the NCG. Best resume even with a loss today, and its not even close.

    Jackson2340 ●

  • Jackson2340 said...

    If UGA wins the SEC will have three teams in the BCS, this is the only way that scenario is ever allowed to happen. LSU and Bama in the NCG and Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.

    LSU has clearly earned a spot in the NCG. Best resume even with a loss today, and its not even close.

    Well said Jackson, I would put Bama in that league too.

    Let's face it, they missed 4 fg's and lost in OT so it's clear they are just as good.

    It's about the 2 best teams, and who really thinks anyone is better than these two teams?

    mpenn77

  • While I agree LSU should be in there I don't think Bama should. The other spot belongs to a conference winner. Its the closest we have to a playoff. By that I mean the conference champions are imo comparable to rounds in a playoff. Without winning your conference you don't advance. Ill give LSU the pass because they played such a tough OOC schedule. Alabama's toughest ooc game was PennSt and they are just a decent team at best.

    When you say this is the only way this scenario happens is that a fact or just what you think? Ive always though each conference only gets 2 reps

    ddrouillard

  • I say no. If i'm the AD from Virginia Tech or Oklahoma St i would argue how do 2 teams from the same conference play in the national championship and neither of them won the conference championship? I don't think LSU would drop but i do think that would be enough to move Oklahoma St in front of Alabama.

    Buckeye2001

  • Buckeye2001 said...

    I say no. If i'm the AD from Virginia Tech or Oklahoma St i would argue how do 2 teams from the same conference play in the national championship and neither of them won the conference championship? I don't think LSU would drop but i do think that would be enough to move Oklahoma St in front of Alabama.

    exactly. I would think the crazy computers that do all the decision making would add points to a team that has won their conference.
    While I do think that LSU is the best team Im not positive that Bama is without a doubt the second best.
    When Ohio State and Michigan played in 06 they were considered the 2 best teams without a doubt. Their game was epic yet Michigan did not get the opportunity to play again for the Nat Champ. Now explain the difference in that and what we have now.

    ddrouillard

  • mpenn77 said...

    Well said Jackson, I would put Bama in that league too.

    Let's face it, they missed 4 fg's and lost in OT so it's clear they are just as good.

    It's about the 2 best teams, and who really thinks anyone is better than these two teams?

    I disagree on Bama, Oklahoma State's resume is much better than theirs. It all depends on whether you want to analyze the loss each of them had, or the wins. If you look at wins, Oklahoma State has better wins. However, Okla State also has a much worse loss.

    I can't really say that Alabama is one of the best two teams in the country based on what I've seen. I know for sure they're not #1 because they got a shot at LSU on their own turf at night and lost. If Bama goes to the NCG (in New Orleans) and loses again, that does nothing for me other than "yeah, I've seen that already."

    I think a different team deserves a shot at LSU.

    Jackson2340 ●

  • ddrouillard said...

    While I agree LSU should be in there I don't think Bama should. The other spot belongs to a conference winner. Its the closest we have to a playoff. By that I mean the conference champions are imo comparable to rounds in a playoff. Without winning your conference you don't advance. Ill give LSU the pass because they played such a tough OOC schedule. Alabama's toughest ooc game was PennSt and they are just a decent team at best.

    When you say this is the only way this scenario happens is that a fact or just what you think? Ive always though each conference only gets 2 reps

    It's fact, this has been discussed in the national media and on these boards at nauseum.

    Jackson2340 ●

  • This is similar to OSU vs. the TTUN in 2006. Everybody thought there should have been a rematch and both schools got their arses handed to them in a bowl. LSU vs. Bama been there done that. I think it should be a non-SEC team vs. either LSU or Bama depending on who wins the SEC championship. If LSU wins tonight and beats Bama again, how do we know if they are truely the best team? I would rather see them play Okie State if Okie beats OU. Bama didn't get the job done in game one, why give them a game two? Either way a playoff would eliminate this BS. No more playing all bowl games on the road. Make it like the NFL playoffs, play at the higher ranked teams home field. A 32 or 16 team playoff will eliminate the doubt. Maybe if Bama plays LSU the ratings will be so poor that it will cause people to re-evaluate the BCS.

    GaBuck

  • Bamas 2nd best win (and closest win) is over Penn State, the 5th best B10 team. Kind of weird that people keep talking like this is some great team with by far the best resume. They didnt play UGA or SCar. It would be one thing if they had by far the best resume but they played an extremely weak schedule. Should give another team a chance, but they wont.

    TheDude2345

  • ddrouillard said...

    If Georgia beats LSU they get the auto bid and the way I understand it each conference can only have 2 representatives in BCS bowls. Besides is it even feasible to think 2 teams that didnt even win their conference belong in the National Championship?

    Read this: http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/more-chaos-predicting-the-final-bcs-scenarios/

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  • Jackson2340 said...

    I disagree on Bama, Oklahoma State's resume is much better than theirs. It all depends on whether you want to analyze the loss each of them had, or the wins. If you look at wins, Oklahoma State has better wins. However, Okla State also has a much worse loss.

    I can't really say that Alabama is one of the best two teams in the country based on what I've seen. I know for sure they're not #1 because they got a shot at LSU on their own turf at night and lost. If Bama goes to the NCG (in New Orleans) and loses again, that does nothing for me other than "yeah, I've seen that already."

    I think a different team deserves a shot at LSU.

    OK State beat who?

    Kansas State? Texas? Texas A&M? They were all close games and anytime those teams played someone who is quality they lost.

    I looked at the schedule for those 3 teams, and I don't consider any of their wins as being quality wins. Maybe Kansas State can get 1 with Miami and Baylor when they was highly ranked. Even then, Baylor is Baylor.

    Bama on the other hand, smoked Arkansas who we can agree is a top 10 team right? Probably top 5 or 6?

    They also beat Penn State at Penn State, a better win then anything OK State has to this point. Sure if they beat OU tonight we could argue this and I would see your point and wouldn't completely disagree with you. But I don't see them winning.

    mpenn77

  • There is no way Bama even deserves to be in the NC conversation. Not only did they not win there conference, they didn't even win their division. They had their shot and lost. I would goes as far as to argue that if LSU loses to UGA they don't deserve to be in the NC since they are not a conference champion. It's as simple as that and to think any other way is to be drunk on the SEC kool-aid.

    buckeyegrip

  • The rule is no more than 2 teams from the same conference. So how can they make an exception? IF Georgia wins, either LSU or Bama should be left out.

    murphy66245811

  • If Georgia wins, they say LSU still goes to the national title game with their overall resume and head to head win over Bama.
    Is LSU tanking to avoid Bama? Doubt it, but if LSU lost, they could face Stanford unless Ok State wins tonight.
    They also state if you finish in the top 4 of the BCS final four teams you are an automatic qualifier, if LSU loses, Bama still finishes in the top 4 and gets left out.
    Man would Saban be crying, and I would feel for whomever gets them in either that Cotton or Capitol One Bowl if that happened.

    ohiost83

  • The bcs now wants the 2 best teams to play I'n the championship game but that wasn't the case in 1998 when we lost late and they sent Florida st to play in are place... There explanation was that we lost late in the season....

    bucky34

  • mpenn77 said...

    OK State beat who?

    Kansas State? Texas? Texas A&M? They were all close games and anytime those teams played someone who is quality they lost.

    I looked at the schedule for those 3 teams, and I don't consider any of their wins as being quality wins. Maybe Kansas State can get 1 with Miami and Baylor when they was highly ranked. Even then, Baylor is Baylor.

    Bama on the other hand, smoked Arkansas who we can agree is a top 10 team right? Probably top 5 or 6?

    They also beat Penn State at Penn State, a better win then anything OK State has to this point. Sure if they beat OU tonight we could argue this and I would see your point and wouldn't completely disagree with you. But I don't see them winning.

    Seriously?

    Oklahoma State will have beat the following:

    #10 Oklahoma
    #11 Kansas State
    #17 Baylor
    #22 Texas
    #25 Missouri

    Alabama beat:

    #8 Arkansas
    #21 Penn State
    NO OTHER TEAMS IN TOP 25

    Don't even try and argue that Alabama has better wins, that's ridiculous. I'm not doing the "eye test" here, I'm going strictly by the current rankings. With that, Oklahoma State's wins are much more impressive than Alabama's.

    This is not even an argument in my mind. The only reason this is a conversation is because of Oklahoma State's brainfart in Iowa State, which just happened to take place a day after a school tradegy.

    This post was edited by Jackson2340 on 12/3/2011 at 4:47 PM

    Jackson2340 ●

  • Doesn't matter now, haha. Georgia hasn't done squat since the first quarter. LSU defense is unreal.

    murphy66245811

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  • Jackson2340 said...

    Seriously?

    Oklahoma State will have beat the following:

    #10 Oklahoma #11 Kansas State #17 Baylor #22 Texas #25 Missouri

    Alabama beat:

    #8 Arkansas #21 Penn State NO OTHER TEAMS IN TOP 25

    Don't even try and argue that Alabama has better wins, that's ridiculous. I'm not doing the "eye test" here, I'm going strictly by the current rankings. With that, Oklahoma State's wins are much more impressive than Alabama's.

    This is not even an argument in my mind. The only reason this is a conversation is because of Oklahoma State's brainfart in Iowa State, which just happened to take place a day after a school tradegy.

    First off, they haven't beaten Oklahoma yet, and I clearly said in my post that it would be a better argument if they did. CLEARLY SAID THAT

    And let's be perfectly honest here, how good is Texas and Missouri? I mean really? Those rankings are garbage, they mean nothing. We know who the good teams are and they are not, and Texas and Missouri are not good teams.

    Throw Auburn in there if you want to throw in shitty teams that happen to be ranked. They were ranked 24th, but is that a quality win? No, because they sucked! Same as Texas and Missouri.

    mpenn77

  • murphy.662 said...

    The rule is no more than 2 teams from the same conference. So how can they make an exception? IF Georgia wins, either LSU or Bama should be left out.

    Not true Murphy.

    If UGA would have won, then Bama and LSU could have played in the title game. That's the catch. If 2 teams who didn't win the title for their conference are in the national title game, then the title winner for the conference obviously gets in too.

    But you are right, doesn't matter now cause UGA sucks

    mpenn77

  • Yea only way it could have happened is if 2 teams from the same conference end up as 1-2 in the BCS, even after a 3rd team IE UGA would have one the conference title game. The way i read it, the ONLY way 3 teams could be in BCS Bowls from same conference.

    chop505

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