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Jerry Sandusky - Something To Consider

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  • lotzman said...

    Do you really care about this man raping little boys? Do you?? I'm just at the end of my rope reading these threads about hanging Jerry, put him away forever, etc. I normally don't like to get on my soap box, but I'm a proud Buckeye so I'm going to challenge you all as proud Buckeyes. If you genuinely care I encourage you to do something about it besides make yourself feel good by sitting behind a keyboard and spouting out hate. I'm not saying Jerry doesn't deserve it....if he did all this he certainly does and it sure does appear to be a very sad, dark, and true story. Take a second to read this perspective and let it challenge you in regards to what you do going forward.

    I volunteer for an organization that takes in Franklin County Foster kids for a week of camp every year. We ask for and take in the worst of the kids....requesting to take the kids that usually get kicked out of camps or aren't asked to go. Through that organization I've had my eyes opened wide to what really goes on around me. I grew up in white picket fence land, had great parents, and was protected from most bad things this world had to offer. We go through an FBI background, extensive training, etc and when I first started I thought it was all just overkill...until I saw first hand how damaged most of these kids are. I was actually originally frustrated with all the training because here I was agreeing to give up a week of my life to stay at this camp and I already work about 70-80 hours a week running my own business. Anyhow to keep it short I realized from day 1 of camp why we received the training as one of the boys I was in charge of took his shirt off to swim and had a hand print on his back from apparently being struck. Another episode that stands out that week is one of the boys in our room woke up several nights at 2 or 3 coming out of a dream yelling....YELLING....please don't touch me, please don't touch me. At the end of the week that same boy was sitting beside me as some of the kids were going through their graduation ceremony (they would be too old to come back to camp next year). The kids on stage were crying because they realized how much the camp gave them hope....and it was over. This boy sat beside me and asked me why those kids were crying like little girls. In the moment I thought to myself....geez....we loved on this kid the whole week, played, had fun and he didn't get it. Then 10 minutes later as we got on the bus to leave I heard something behind me and it was this same boy with his head buried in the window balling his eyes out...and he was the tough kid at camp.

    After that week I didn't care about working 70-80 hours a week....I was going to find time to do what was right for these kids. We started a mentor program and last week was the end of our first full year. I'm experiencing first hand kids having their lives changed.

    Here is the challenge I pose to you. I've shared this story in front of many organizations and churches.....asking for money and volunteers to help support the camp. It amazes me over and over that because this is something that takes a level of commitment....it is crazy difficult to find people that are willing to give up their time or resources. I get that obligatory "pat on the back" so many times and "hey...what you are doing is great", but rarely does anyone put their time or money where their mouth is. It is frustrating to the point that as a "Christian" I want to throw up when I see the response I get when I go to churches....because I get more response from the secular world. Anyhow that is just me being frank. The absolute point here is that you aren't wrong for hating what Jerry did....but there are Jerry's everywhere and more importantly there are abused kids everywhere. It is an epidemic that goes under the radar. We can either help these kids now....or pay the taxes for all the prisons they will end up in because of how jacked up they become. I would love to share more about this camp and if you want to know you can PM me, but that isn't my goal. My goal is that you would take that feeling inside you that hates what Jerry did and let it inspire you to do more than spew out words behind a keyboard. Go spend time with your kids, volunteer to be a baseball coach, be a big brother / sister.....just do something to make a difference. THAT is what will drive folks like Jerry out of our communities and protect these kids.

    " THAT is what will drive folks like Jerry out of our communities and protect these kids"

    That is a passionate and emboldening speech. People like you are what keeps the ebb to the flow of nastiness. Unfortunately, I think your conclusion is drawn from more misguided hope than pragmatism.

    According to the rules of the predator/prey relationship, at least one of these two things must happen:

    1. predators become so abundant there is not enough prey so they either move on or cease to predate

    2. there is no prey available

    And I am not sure there is much that can be about #2

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  • blitz74 said...

    I up voted you too. Thanks for what you do. I'm tired of hearing how our own fans want blood because:
    1.) "its worse than tatoos"
    2.) "it helps recruiting"
    3.) "we hate their delusional fans" (mirror folks)
    4.) "penn st deserves it for what they said about us"

    Please lets just let the law sort this sordid tale out. One thing I've learned over the last year is the NCAA and College Administration cannot deal in these matters or others.

    I find it remarkable that some posters here are certain that the NCAA is going to mete out harsh punishment to PSU--I've read opinions that the "NCAA is all over PSU", that this entire Sandusky mess defines LOIC and that there are going to be SMU-like penalties with 5-year bowl bans.

    To be sure, the NCAA is closely following what's transpiring in State College--but so is everyone else with a keen interest in college football and intercollegiate athletics. The last thing the NCAA needs to do is get itself mixed up and potentially interfere with the ongoing investigations being conducted by the Justice Department and by the PA Attorney General.

    There are going to be further criminal cases regarding Gary Schultz and Tim Curley. Lying to a grand jury may be the least significant charge these guys face. Graham Spanier and others may have their day in court as well if recently released documents prove that a vast cover-up existed. I would expect that the NCAA would allow these proceedings to play out to whatever conclusion before it interjects itself into this matter.

    There is no precedent for the NCAA relative to the Penn State case. The Baylor basketball case may have some degree of similarity in terms of a horrible crime, but there was not a situation that involved the downfall of a university president and an athletic director. A "wait and see" approach is the correct thing to do here. Allow all the facts and criminal charges to be developed and only then make a decision about what, if any, type of institutional and program sanctions are appropriate.

    The NCAA has a constitution and bylaws that govern its mission. These governing rules clearly were not established to handle issues like the Jerry Sandusky case and issues like institutional conspiracies to silence criminal wrongdoing. The NCAA is going to have to work through its purpose and role in relation to the final outcome of this entire case before it becomes formally involved.

    I agree with the above post that many of the cited examples, above, are distasteful and even callous in relation to what's really important here: first, the prosecution of an alleged serial child molester; second, the prosecution of persons in authority that failed to report and act upon information that children were being sexually abused; and third, the prosecution of conspirators who covered up these matters.

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  • waufbri1 said...

    " THAT is what will drive folks like Jerry out of our communities and protect these kids"

    That is a passionate and emboldening speech. People like you are what keeps the ebb to the flow of nastiness. Unfortunately, I think your conclusion is drawn from more misguided hope than pragmatism.

    According to the rules of the predator/prey relationship, at least one of these two things must happen:

    1. predators become so abundant there is not enough prey so they either move on or cease to predate

    2. there is no prey available

    And I am not sure there is much that can be about #2

    Very true, which is why the original post was so well done. We have to protect our children and be vigilant as a society. Sex offenders are lurking everywhere and come from all walks of life, but one axiom exists and that is they will all seek out prey. I have sent numerous men to prison that nobody, not even their own families, would expect of committing such acts. They all had one thing in common: they sought child victims that were vulnerable due to poor family situations, mental impairment, low self esteem, etc. Just the other day I had a conversation with the director of our local correctional services, who used to be a reentry agent for sex offenders with the state corrections, and he relayed a story of a level III offender under his supervision. The guy was cooperating and trying to be helpful, but he said: "If you take me to a playground right now with several hundred students I can tell you within 30 minutes, which kids I would approach. You will see them at the margins of the games, by themselves with low self-esteem, maybe acting inappropriately. These kids are desperate for anyone to pay attention to them, and any predator is more than willing to do so."

    I am amazed at how many grown adults have no clue about what to look for, because case after case it adults that could have prevented it, but regular adults don't expect predators to exist or behave this way. One of the victims in Sandusky has already testified that his own guidance counselor didn't believe him. Kids don't make this crap up folks. And if it is a kid fabricating, it is normally pretty easy to spot. I don't mind threads or news on Sandusky because cases like this will make it clear to mainstream men and women that this child abuse happens everywhere, committed by predators you don't remotely expect, that delayed reporting is common, and that children rarely fabricate sexual abuse disclosures. The common theme though is that predators seek prey and all of us need to be on the lookout for it.

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  • I do a fair amount of family work in my law practice and regularly oppose Prosecutors and even appointed Children's lawyers to try and get courts to truly provide solutions for children and families. Answers are often provided, but not solutions.

    Great work you are doing, truly commendable.

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