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Klein Kicked Off Team

  • 95buckeye said...

    I think he needs to be set out of drills, practice, etc and should be put in jail IF convicted BUT to drop a guy completely before hes convicted? If hes pleading "not guilty" maybe he really is innocent. Again IF CONVICTED then good riddance.

    He would not have been arrested if there was no probable cause to do so. It wasnt a he said she said......She had marks that were obviously consistent to having been assaulted. Here is the biggest point though......The University/Coaching staff does not have to wait to see if he is convicted........They can make that call whether it ever gets to trial or not.

    tsmith10

  • Chew86 said...

    Not released to public, but police/prosecutors have photos of the alleged victim's physical injuries.

    Any victim-related information (including the prosecuting witness's name and victim pictures) will not become part of the public domain. The City of Columbus Prosecutor's Office will handle this case since it is a misdemeanor. They'll gather any information that CPD has gathered (witness statements, police narratives, and photos) and keep these materials in a unique file.

    As a matter of practice, Klein's defense counsel will file a demand for formal discovery and he'll be afforded the opportunity to inspect and review the file at the prosecutor's office or possibly at the first scheduler pretrial hearing. The City Prosecutor will not give (or allow) copies of any victim photos to be disseminated--so the notion that these materials will surface and be posted someplace online is false.

    Several other professionals have posted that there is a huge spectrum and variety of what one encounters in DV cases--it's not just black eyes and broken bones; in fact, it's typically light bruising, scratch marks, abraded skin (victims aren't "made up" on a Hollywood studio set). Reading the complaint here suggests that there maybe some physical evidence in terms of marks left on the victim. It's unclear, however, if any third parries witnessed the incident (friend, roommate, neighbor, etc.).

    IF Klein was the aggressor here (and he wasn't acting in self defense), I think he needs to start with an aggressive mitigation strategy with the hopes of a quick resolution of the criminal case and a possible return to the program. He could very easily start and substantially complete an anger management program during the next 4-6 weeks. He might also avail himself of individual counseling. These are the kinds of steps one can take if they're goal isn't to try the case to the jury, but to obtain a better plea offer with a sentence that simply includes a probationary period.

    These cases can be resolved fairly quickly (60-90 days) with a plea and thus at least give Klein the opportunity to get reinstated. On the other hand, if the case lingers on and goes to trial then his senior season will be spent attending court dates and not practices.

    Bottom line here is that I think Klein will do anything to get reinstated. Expect an eventual withdrawal of his not guilty plea, a plea to an assault and the his going to Urban on his hands and knees asking to be reinstated for (maybe) the second half of the season.

    charcot5

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  • ImperialBuckeye said...

    Glad he is gone! He has NO place on the football team. Urban was swift in removing this scab from the program.

    Good riddance!!!

    He has to be proved guilty before you should make statements like these! How do you know it wasn't a psycho ex-girlfriend that was immensely pissed when Klein didn't want anything to do with her anymore?

    buckeyecrazy118

  • loosebelt12 said...

    Honestly, what would bringing Storm back do for the team?

    He is a senior in a year we cannot compete for a bowl. Some would say it makes more sense to let the younger kids play and wash your hands of this completely.

    I get giving him his day in court, but he is injured and had been bypassed by the younger Grant already.

    What the hell does his playing time or ability have to do with due process, innocent until proven guilty, and right to trial by jury??? You would be singing a different tune if it was your kid and he said dad I didn't do it.

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  • charcot5 said...

    Any victim-related information (including the prosecuting witness's name and victim pictures) will not become part of the public domain. The City of Columbus Prosecutor's Office will handle this case since it is a misdemeanor. They'll gather any information that CPD has gathered (witness statements, police narratives, and photos) and keep these materials in a unique file.

    As a matter of practice, Klein's defense counsel will file a demand for formal discovery and he'll be afforded the opportunity to inspect and review the file at the prosecutor's office or possibly at the first scheduler pretrial hearing. The City Prosecutor will not give (or allow) copies of any victim photos to be disseminated--so the notion that these materials will surface and be posted someplace online is false.

    Several other professionals have posted that there is a huge spectrum and variety of what one encounters in DV cases--it's not just black eyes and broken bones; in fact, it's typically light bruising, scratch marks, abraded skin (victims aren't "made up" on a Hollywood studio set). Reading the complaint here suggests that there maybe some physical evidence in terms of marks left on the victim. It's unclear, however, if any third parries witnessed the incident (friend, roommate, neighbor, etc.).

    IF Klein was the aggressor here (and he wasn't acting in self defense), I think he needs to start with an aggressive mitigation strategy with the hopes of a quick resolution of the criminal case and a possible return to the program. He could very easily start and substantially complete an anger management program during the next 4-6 weeks. He might also avail himself of individual counseling. These are the kinds of steps one can take if they're goal isn't to try the case to the jury, but to obtain a better plea offer with a sentence that simply includes a probationary period.

    These cases can be resolved fairly quickly (60-90 days) with a plea and thus at least give Klein the opportunity to get reinstated. On the other hand, if the case lingers on and goes to trial then his senior season will be spent attending court dates and not practices.

    Bottom line here is that I think Klein will do anything to get reinstated. Expect an eventual withdrawal of his not guilty plea, a plea to an assault and the his going to Urban on his hands and knees asking to be reinstated for (maybe) the second half of the season.

    Good info, but I don't see Klein being reinstated unless all charges are flat out dropped. Remember this was a full dismissal, not a suspension.

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    trcb777

  • Thanks Dave. Unpleasant news, but you getting a story out there so quickly last night speaks volumes about the dedication and effort here at BuckNuts.

    NevadaShank

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    charcot5

  • I'm tired of all the negative press surrounding the Ohio State program. It seems endless. Hopefully the football season will reverse this trend.

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    mapatton

  • loosebelt12 said...

    Honestly, what would bringing Storm back do for the team?

    He is a senior in a year we cannot compete for a bowl. Some would say it makes more sense to let the younger kids play and wash your hands of this completely.

    I get giving him his day in court, but he is injured and had been bypassed by the younger Grant already.

    You're right in regards to the team. Bringing him back if the charges were to be dropped would do nothing for the team. However, what would bringing him back do for him? Could it possibly help a young person who needs it? Could it point him in the right direction? Sometimes life goes beyond the 48 minutes played on Saturday afternoon!

    CA21

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    TheKnife

  • If he harmed a women he should be gone, but I think some on here would be slower to pass judgement if it was a John Simon or Braxton Miller star player type...

    rugbybuckeye

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    davebucknut

  • loosebelt12 said...

    Honestly, what would bringing Storm back do for the team?

    He is a senior in a year we cannot compete for a bowl. Some would say it makes more sense to let the younger kids play and wash your hands of this completely.

    I get giving him his day in court, but he is injured and had been bypassed by the younger Grant already.

    If he's guilty, then he's gone. There can be no tolerance for this sort of thing. But, if the facts turn out to be different than what everyone assumes right now, and he's not guilty, then you don't throw away the kid. Even if he doesn't play, you bring him back and try to send him into the rest of his life a better person.

    A big part of recruiting is convincing players and parents you are going to look out for them. You set limits (violence, drugs, severe stupidity) and let them know that exceeding them means you choose to not be a part of the program. But, if you start giving up on kids that don't break those limits, then you won't get a lot of parents wanting their kids in your program because you'll be blatantly disregarding the development part of the job.

    NetBuck

  • Wondering if it was a Glenville kid that was in this situation would you have all the apologists/shithouse lawyers coming up with all these excuses...DOUBT IT

    YankeeJets

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  • YankeeJets said...

    Wondering if it was a Glenville kid that was in this situation would you have all the apologists/shithouse lawyers coming up with all these excuses...DOUBT IT

    What are you talking about troll?

    NEOhio77

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