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Luke Fickell may destroy the short term future of OSU

  • Disclaimer: I already know all of you homers are going to down vote me so just to let you know ahead of time, I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK!!!!

    Luke Fickell is going to make OSU look so bad this year that no great coach's are going to want to come here. Lets face it, great coach's do not usually want to come in and totally rebuild a program because they are not accustomed to losing and it decreases their value as a HC to the rest of the world. If LF could have managed to stay respectable this year with 8-10 wins and show some promise in the loses then I don't think it would have affected to many potential job takers.

    As for the top two candidates for the jobs:

    We all know Urban doesn't like to lose looking back at his UF team last year I am sure that the 7-5 record had as much to do with him leaving for good as did the other problems he was going through. I just don't see any way that Meyer, who is looked at as one of the best coach's in the country takes the gamble to come to OSU to rebuild.

    The other top candidate however might look past the rough year and take a shot at bringing his alma mater back to the top. Bo Pelini hasn't quite made it to the top yet so he doesn't have that mentality that UM has regarding only taking a top job with a winning record and with his strong roots in Ohio and up bringing in a rough and tumble blue collar city like Youngstown makes him more prone to want to fight it out and bring OSU back to the top.

    However if BP is not able to look past the lack of a clear future for this team we are going to be screwed and it will LF's fault. I am not saying that I think LF is a terrible person or D coach, but he is NOT I repeat NOT head coaching material and while no one expected him to win a national championship this year we did expect him to keep the season respectable and win at least 8 games. OSU still has tons of talent and a real coach would use that to his advantage rather than erroring on the side of caution and letting the status quo remain in place. Lets just hope for OSU sake that LF can pull it together and somehow win 8 games or the short term future of the Buckeyes is going to look very bleak.

    This post was edited by UMSUKSDIK on 10/1/2011 at 10:12 PM

    UMSUKSDIK

  • Just the opposite.

    Your post cant be any more wrong.

    Luke is setting the table for a whale.

    Replacing Tressel if he had gone out like we thought he would of been impossible.

    Now a coach like Meyer can be viewed as a "savior".

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    cdiddy70

  • My thoughts as well Cdiddy

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    cometoohiostate

  • Not going to DV you but I think that's total rubbish.
    OSU has the 2nd wealthiest athletic dept in the nation, a great tradition and world class facilities, a young but talented roster, a top recruiting area, and the largest fanbase in the nation.
    OSU is a destination job.

    Alumnut

  • cdiddy70 said...

    Just the opposite.

    Your post cant be any more wrong.

    Luke is setting the table for a whale.

    Replacing Tressel if he had gone out like we thought he would of been impossible.

    Now a coach like Meyer can be viewed as a "savior".

    Its not what he will be viewed as by OSU. It's what he will be viewed like by the national media. He is not going to come in and coach a 7-5 team when he could take a job somwhere that is 11-1 or 10-2. Also you think these posters wouldn't tear him up if he has a rough start. Right now they are tearing up Miller when after just last week they were saying just let him play and they didn't care if he lost as long as he got some PT for his future.

    UMSUKSDIK

  • There is no way Fickell could destroy the short term. Coach Tressel already did that. Although Coach Tressel said he consults Bollman on the offensive play calling, it's woefully obvious that he surrounded his offensive staff with puppets who are below par coaches with the exception of Drayton (and Hazell when he was here). Usually a team has an OC that instills the offensive philosophy, but when he is your HC, Coach Fickell was screwed. I'm embarrassed that Coach Tressel allowed these guys to come in and collect a paycheck. We deserved better before and deserve better now.

    Still, I'm not really angry with those that remain, but with those that left us in this position: the ultimate betrayal.

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  • Alumnut said...

    Not going to DV you but I think that's total rubbish. OSU has the 2nd wealthiest athletic dept in the nation, a great tradition and world class facilities, a young but talented roster, a top recruiting area, and the largest fanbase in the nation. OSU is a destination job.

    Thats what everybody thought about Michigan but they couldn't even get their own people to come in (Les Miles) after they went through a rough spot. Sure we could people like RICHROD or Hoke, but we will have a tough time getting the big fish aside from BP. I want Meyer just as bad as the rest of you, but I just don't see it happening with 5-6 loses. I hope I am wrong but I dont see it.

    UMSUKSDIK

  • A couple of points:

    1. LF will not hurt the program NEARLY as bad as JT and Terrelle Pryor have hurt the program. LF is truly in a "no win" situation - he's using Tressel's hand-me-downs, he's never been a HC before, and he inherited a team that is very young. None of this stuff is his fault, it's JT's fault.
    2. Urban's head was not in it his last year at UF. Remember what happened around Christmas-time before his final season? He resigned, then came back - but his head was clearly not in it.

    We're all going to have to endure this miserable year, but Gee/Smith better dig deep and get THE RIGHT coach for OSU. Personally, I'd like to see them grab Nick Sabin, but I don't think they would pay him enough.

    jjones64

  • UMSUKSDIK said...

    Its not what he will be viewed as by OSU. It's what he will be viewed like by the national media. He is not going to come in and coach a 7-5 team when he could take a job somwhere that is 11-1 or 10-2. Also you think these posters wouldn't tear him up if he has a rough start. Right now they are tearing up Miller when after just last week they were saying just let him play and they didn't care if he lost as long as he got some PT for his future.

    The talent on this team is easily an 11-1 team with the right HC and supporting coaches next year.

    BeantownBucks21

  • False, the talent is there. A HC knows that if he brings his guys in, we'll be a winner in 2-3 years.

    murphy66245811

  • It's not Luke's fault. No coach could step in a win in this situation. He is just one man. Most new coaches bring in a whole new regime. Luke is trying to win with left overs and they are not helping much. Tressel had trouble winning with HIS guys. Luke has not had the time or opportunity to develope a style or staff to win at any level. He has been hung out to dry along with all OSU fans by what has transpired this past year. It will take a good 3-5 years to rebuild this team and organization.

    19fhs67

  • What an inane post.

    First, Fickell is not going to hurt the team. He can go 3-9 and this team will be fine in the future. If anything that would help, if you brought in a new coach. If Fickell goes 7-5 and next year a new guy goes 8-4, it doesn't look so good. If it's 3-9 thhis year, 8-4 next year lloks like miracle work.

    Secondly, Fickell is operating without a QB and without an OC. Tressel was the OC of this team, Bollman was just the senior offensive position coach and Tressel's eye in the sky. That's why this team has a good defense and no offense. Let's see how much they improve in Lincoln next weekend. Hopefully having Boom and Posey and Adams back will improve things. And hopefully Bollman getting humiliated for the second time this season will force him to loosen up, or force Fickell to loosen him up, or force Smith to let Fickell loosen Bollman up if Smith is holding Fickell back.

    A lot of what happened today begins and ends with the offensive line play. Again, Bollman's responsiblity.

    Fickell doesn't deserved to be judged until the season is over.

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    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

    grccoins

  • UMSUKSDIK said...

    Thats what everybody thought about Michigan but they couldn't even get their own people to come in (Les Miles) after they went through a rough spot. Sure we could people like RICHROD or Hoke, but we will have a tough time getting the big fish aside from BP. I want Meyer just as bad as the rest of you, but I just don't see it happening with 5-6 loses. I hope I am wrong but I dont see it.

    problem michigan had is they went and tried to pluck les miles out of the sec where he is currently an awesome coach there. not to mention the sec pays coaches way more than any conference. so les said no to the pay cut.

    urban is not employed right now and i cant see him turning down his dream job to stay in the booth and id bet he wont be going back to the sec either.

    newsflash any coach who is hired any where is taking on a rebuilding job, they are usually hired bc the other coach was a lame duck and got fired. we forced tress out he had a great team and won plenty and he didnt leave us short on talent either. osu is a great job that any big time coach esp an unemployed one would love to have.

    buckeyesfball7

  • this team is coached and led so poorly that coaching candidates should be licking their chops to turn this around. most coaches worth a crap have an ego the size of ohio. if they watched today's game, don't you imagine they're thinking "i could do WAY better than this."? we could very easily win 5 games this year and 10 next year and the HC next year would look like an oracle.

    superdevil

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    Baximus

  • As has been said before, we are all now dumber for having read your original post. Could we pay you to stop posting ?

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    jacraigo

  • Pula_86 said...

    There is no way Fickell could destroy the short term. Coach Tressel already did that. Although Coach Tressel said he consults Bollman on the offensive play calling, it's woefully obvious that he surrounded his offensive staff with puppets who are below par coaches with the exception of Drayton (and Hazell when he was here). Usually a team has an OC that instills the offensive philosophy, but when he is your HC, Coach Fickell was screwed. I'm embarrassed that Coach Tressel allowed these guys to come in and collect a paycheck. We deserved better before and deserve better now.

    Still, I'm not really angry with those that remain, but with those that left us in this position: the ultimate betrayal.

    Did Hazell leave before Tressel resigned?

    buckeyelouey

  • UMSUKSDIK said...

    Thats what everybody thought about Michigan but they couldn't even get their own people to come in (Les Miles) after they went through a rough spot. Sure we could people like RICHROD or Hoke, but we will have a tough time getting the big fish aside from BP. I want Meyer just as bad as the rest of you, but I just don't see it happening with 5-6 loses. I hope I am wrong but I dont see it.

    Meyer said on the broadcast how much talent Ohio State has. He would love to step in and be a winner right away. Those kind of guys thrive on that!

    buckeyelouey

  • I know the Team played bad today, and I also know there are likely more losses in our season, but My God people, get a grip. We are NOT on some sort of multi-year, downward spiral just because of a bad season (assuming this one will be ugly). We have talent....just need the right things in place to maximize that talent. You can have the best tool in the world, but if it's used improperly, then it's pretty worthless. I am assuming we'll do the best we can for the remainder of the season, and then we'll get a prize coach after it's all said an done. tOSU is one of the crown jewels in College Football.....don't any Buckeye Fan forget it. Meantime, we'll need to take some additional Tylenol for the remainder of football Saturdays to counter the splitting headaches, BUT....rest assured, all will be good again in the near future.

    This is Ohio State. Don't Forget !!!

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  • buckeyelouey said...

    Did Hazell leave before Tressel resigned?

    Wasn't he offered the job in between the end of the season and the bowl game? I know he left while Tressel was still HC.

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  • The cupboard is full and overflowing with young talent. Any coach that deserves to be here will be smart enough to see that.

    perrine

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    andyj

  • FlaBuckeye1 said...

    I know the Team played bad today, and I also know there are likely more losses in our season, but My God people, get a grip. We are NOT on some sort of multi-year, downward spiral just because of a bad season (assuming this one will be ugly). We have talent....just need the right things in place to maximize that talent. You can have the best tool in the world, but if it's used improperly, then it's pretty worthless. I am assuming we'll do the best we can for the remainder of the season, and then we'll get a prize coach after it's all said an done. tOSU is one of the crown jewels in College Football.....don't any Buckeye Fan forget it. Meantime, we'll need to take some additional Tylenol for the remainder of football Saturdays to counter the splitting headaches, BUT....rest assured, all will be good again in the near future.

    This is Ohio State. Don't Forget !!!

    Agree with most of your post. But hold the tylenol. Doesn't agree with the liver when you're drunk off your ass...which I may have to be to make it through this season.
    But true, good days are ahead of us. Lots of young talent getting valuable experience. This freshman class will produce multiple All-Americans and many, many wins. Maybe a crystal trophy in 2013...

    perrine

  • UMSUKSDIK said...

    Disclaimer: I already know all of you homers are going to down vote me so just to let you know ahead of time, I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK!!!!

    Luke Fickell is going to make OSU look so bad this year that no great coach's are going to want to come here. Lets face it, great coach's do not usually want to come in and totally rebuild a program because they are not accustomed to losing and it decreases their value as a HC to the rest of the world. If LF could have managed to stay respectable this year with 8-10 wins and show some promise in the loses then I don't think it would have affected to many potential job takers.

    As for the top two candidates for the jobs:

    We all know Urban doesn't like to lose looking back at his UF team last year I am sure that the 7-5 record had as much to do with him leaving for good as did the other problems he was going through. I just don't see any way that Meyer, who is looked at as one of the best coach's in the country takes the gamble to come to OSU to rebuild.

    The other top candidate however might look past the rough year and take a shot at bringing his alma mater back to the top. Bo Pelini hasn't quite made it to the top yet so he doesn't have that mentality that UM has regarding only taking a top job with a winning record and with his strong roots in Ohio and up bringing in a rough and tumble blue collar city like Youngstown makes him more prone to want to fight it out and bring OSU back to the top.

    However if BP is not able to look past the lack of a clear future for this team we are going to be screwed and it will LF's fault. I am not saying that I think LF is a terrible person or D coach, but he is NOT I repeat NOT head coaching material and while no one expected him to win a national championship this year we did expect him to keep the season respectable and win at least 8 games. OSU still has tons of talent and a real coach would use that to his advantage rather than erroring on the side of caution and letting the status quo remain in place. Lets just hope for OSU sake that LF can pull it together and somehow win 8 games or the short term future of the Buckeyes is going to look very bleak.

    The entire premise of your post is DEAD WRONG. You have no idea what you are talking about.

    TOP COACHES WON'T TAKE OVER REBUILDING PROJECTS:

    Meyer took over UF in 2005. The 3 years prior (2002-2004), UF went 8-5, 8-5, 7-5. If that didn't look like a program in need of rebuilding when he took over, I don't know what does. Prior to that, he took over a Utah program coming off a 5-6 record.

    Saban took over Bama that was 6-7 the prior year (2006). Prior to that he took over LSU when it was coming off a 3-8 record (1999).

    Pelini took over Nebraska in 2008, after they ended 2007 5-7.

    I think the point is proven. However, the same story is true of most of the top coaches.

    IT'S ALL LUKE'S FAULT:

    I too believe he is not ready to be a head coach...at least not at one of the top 5 programs in the country. However, he didn't put a gun to Smith's head and demand the job. The job was given to him. Should he have turned down his dream job, while it was in crisis and COULD NOT GET ANY DECENT CANDIDATE due to unknown NCAA findings/sanctions and it being JUNE 1? Hell no.

    Luke is doing OSU an INCREDIBLE SERVICE taking over a job he's not ready for yet, while a NCAA / Media shit storm is underway, 5 top players are suspended half a season and fans were expecting a run at the NCG. He's doing the best he can and taking one for the team.

    So if you need to assign blame for the bad performance, IMHO you start with Wexner/Gee/Smith for crumbling in the face of an SI article (which has since been shown to be false allegations from biased sources).

    After that, you have to put some blame on Tressel for lying and the Tat-5 for doing what they knew was wrong (even if it should not have been a violation in a fair world).

    Then you've got to put A LOT of blame on the offensive staff Fickell inherited. "Bollman is a joke" has been an often heard mantra around here since a few days after he arrived. And it's not like Fickell was empowered to replace that staff (or could find a decent one that close to the season). And since Luke has ZERO Offensive experience, it's not like he can fix it himself.

    After you've handed out all that blame, then you can blame Fickell for not motivating the team or miraculously finding a way to turn the OL around or turn Bauserman/Miller into Andrew Luck or turn our WRs into Justin Blackmon.

    SUMMARY:
    You're premise was completely flawed and dead wrong. Then your assignment of blame is largely misdirected. Other than that, you nailed it.

    JarheadBuck

  • GREAT post Jar. Fickell is not ready, that's for sure. But this yes man offensive staff is doing him NO favors.

    murphy66245811