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Luke > Urban: Here's Why

  • jacraigo said...

    Who's going to force them to "clean house" ? Short of a show cause order against Fickell for no reason anyone could possibly imagine resulting from the NCAA investigation, he will be the coach. NCAA doesn't hire and fire (LOL - the media does that !)

    They don't hire and fire but they can make the penalties harsher that we hired Tressel cronie. Since fickell was here, he's apart of all this.

    AlphaBuckeye06

  • yakman said...

    Duane, I believe Meyer might had some issues with the press in Gainesville and he was having some problems with some of the brass at Florida, maybe even a booster or two that he wasn't allowed to squelch. I think there's more to it than burn out or a health issue. He wanted out of Florida.

    If he can't survive in Gainesville he doesn't stand a chance with the microscope he'd be under in C-bus

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  • FlaBuckeye1 said...

    Nobody here can seriously say a thing about Luke Fickell until the man has his opportunity to be the HEAD Ball Coach. Different game altogether. Meyer has Been there and done that...more than once. I am not against Fickell, Hell of a Buckeye through and through, but at the end of the day, I want WHOEVER is best...and at this juncture, NOBODY can predict that with any amount of credibility. Let time be the judge.

    What? Fickell has been a successful leader and performer at every level thus far. He's been at or around Ohio State for the better part of 13-15 years. The powers that be should now plenty about the man. I get the experience factor. But pull the trigger. He obviously has talent and its also obvious that the kids like him.

    boognish

  • And I don't buy this "Fickell is a Tressel boy" crap. Technically he's a Cooper boy and was around the program in the nineties with coach pug. Was coach blackmon there too?

    boognish

  • AlphaBuckeye06 said...

    They don't hire and fire but they can make the penalties harsher that we hired Tressel cronie. Since fickell was here, he's apart of all this.

    Anything to justify your love for Urbby. What a laugh. Your precedent for that comment is .....? Where have you heard that the NCAA made harsher penalties for cronie(sic) hire ? What evidence do you think the NCAA has that shows, "he's apart of all this ?" Total foolishness. You're worse than the media hacks who created stories to justify their thirst for Tressel's hide. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, Alphie.

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    jacraigo

  • I agree with Duane that the sooner things are settled, the better for recruiting. However, I disagree that naming Fickell permanent HC now is the right move.

    I simply don't want OSU to have a virgin HC doing OJT. This program deserves better...and that is no slight to a true Buckeye who has played, position coached and coordinated here (all to great success).

    I say open the checkbook, hire Meyer now with the public statement he doesn't take over until Jan 2012. That gives Fickell a year of OJT and probably the best resume entry a prospective D1 HC could ever want (took over top program in tremendous turmoil and steered them out from under a cloud). It also gives Meyer a year to re-invigorate and put together the top staff in the country. It gives OSU a year to put this storm behind it before the next coach takes over.

    I'd also like to see the wheels huddle with Meyer and Fickell, tell Luke he gets 1yr OJT at OSU and then he needs to go elsewhere as HC for a few years...all the while having a standing offer (secured by an option payment from OSU) to be rehired as "DC / HC-in-waiting" 1yr before Meyer retires. Of course he'd be paid either his former HC salary or the equivalent of $1mil+ salary in '11 dollars (whichever is greater) while being HC-in-waiting...and with a publicly-stated Meyer exit date. Thus, if Meyer retires after 5yr, we get a Fickell with 5yr HC experience who is also comfortable with in-place the staff. If Meyer stays 10yr, Luke gets to have maybe 10yr experience...and paid for the option to bring him back when Meyer is ready to exit. If Luke turns out to be a marginal HC, he at least gets paid for giving OSU the option.

    And under all of these scenarios, recruiting is instantly improved because Meyer will be coming in a year...and Fickell has the "circle the wagons" passion now.

    This post was edited by JarheadBuck on 6/1/2011 at 10:34 PM

    JarheadBuck

  • Fullback26 said...

    Fickell has next to no chance at this job. USA Today is now reporting the NCAA has expanded its investigation to the very beginning of the Tressel Era. That could push the hearing date back to October, with penalties not meted out until January.

    If it becomes that serious, even more egregious than previously stated, no way does anyone from this staff get to stay here. The University can't afford the PR of having anyone connected with Tressel staying on when they are about to get slapped for the biggest violations in school history.

    Even if it isn't delayed, Ohio State is already in major league trouble, with a major violation on the books. Did Gerald Ford get elected in the 1976 election after taking over for Richard Nixon? Hell no. That would be akin to this.

    Tip your cap to Luke, I'm sure he'll do the best he can, but OSU needs to start over completely with someone not connected to Tressel. That still leaves a huge and open cupboard of guys with Ohio ties.

    Breaking news, FB26 comes in with a negative take. Is your glass even 1/4 full?

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    KyleBigTime

  • Is this article a joke
    This is like when North Carolina basketball gave the job to Bill Guthridge after Dean Smith left
    and then later got it right by getting Roy Williams

    SheHateMe

  • I too think Luke will impress Duane. He has long been my hope as successor to Tressel, but I never thought he'd get the opportunity this soon due to the high profile nature of this job. I believe in Luke and I will stand behind him and trust him to field the best team we have. Here's to hoping he's our coach for years to come.

    cruzbuck

  • I like Luke!!! Let him grow into the position of HC!!!

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    SFBuckeyeFan

  • Ge Off said...

    do you think that anyone from tressels staff has a legitimate shot at being coach??? the NCAA is going to hammer us and The OSU will be forced to clean house...they are all looked upon as tainted because they were apart of all this..sorry but true

    To clean house you don't fire the workers. You start with who has the responsibility - - - Gee, Smith, Archie,,,

    You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility!

    oarsman41

  • Love Long's thought on Luke Fickell. It would be a great era and he is qualified and already successful when he was handed additional responsibility. Still, I worry what lies ahead for the program. The investigation is expanding and sever penalties loom. Like it or not, Luke was in this program and when the penalties come, the lynch mob will form and branch out to anyone connected. That's the way many fans are. Regrettable. And I don't want Urban or Jon Gruden. There's something else behind the Urban story. Has to be. Gruden wouldn't stay long enough. Go with Luke. Pray he survives the storm that, believe it or not, could worsen if the penalties are really severe, and I believe they will be.

    Buckeye Willie

  • To be fair to Meyer, he lost more than a few assistant coaches to head coaching gigs. That would add stress to any HC's job.

    dpskees

  • I am going with the players and recruits in their support and trust in Luke Fickell! Those are the guys that see him every day, know what he is, what he is about and the fire and passion he brings to the job. Just look at the Kalis' kids comments, that sums up why he needs to get this job!

    bbarr

  • JarheadBuck said...

    I agree with Duane that the sooner things are settled, the better for recruiting. However, I disagree that naming Fickell permanent HC now is the right move.

    I simply don't want OSU to have a virgin HC doing OJT. This program deserves better...and that is no slight to a true Buckeye who has played, position coached and coordinated here (all to great success).

    I say open the checkbook, hire Meyer now with the public statement he doesn't take over until Jan 2012. That gives Fickell a year of OJT and probably the best resume entry a prospective D1 HC could ever want (took over top program in tremendous turmoil and steered them out from under a cloud). It also gives Meyer a year to re-invigorate and put together the top staff in the country. It gives OSU a year to put this storm behind it before the next coach takes over.

    I'd also like to see the wheels huddle with Meyer and Fickell, tell Luke he gets 1yr OJT at OSU and then he needs to go elsewhere as HC for a few years...all the while having a standing offer (secured by an option payment from OSU) to be rehired as "DC / HC-in-waiting" 1yr before Meyer retires. Of course he'd be paid either his former HC salary or the equivalent of $1mil+ salary in '11 dollars (whichever is greater) while being HC-in-waiting...and with a publicly-stated Meyer exit date. Thus, if Meyer retires after 5yr, we get a Fickell with 5yr HC experience who is also comfortable with in-place the staff. If Meyer stays 10yr, Luke gets to have maybe 10yr experience...and paid for the option to bring him back when Meyer is ready to exit. If Luke turns out to be a marginal HC, he at least gets paid for giving OSU the option.

    And under all of these scenarios, recruiting is instantly improved because Meyer will be coming in a year...and Fickell has the "circle the wagons" passion now.

    Interesting theory, but how does this work for Luke when you cut out his legs before you even give him a shot. What if the team rallies for him and they have a good year, you still push him out? How does Meyer go along with this, you think he's going to announce that he's taking over at OSU then sit on a ESPN set all year?

    I made this argument we need to make Luke permanent at work yesterday, the bigger problem is going the next four-months without knowing sanctions. The next six months without a HC. The program will only be able to get MAC recruits, like we have for the last three months. No offense, but we just signed a tight end that we didn't need and a 6'4 corner if there's a such thing. We need to name a coach now, we can't have the program run on cruise control for the next six months. Not attacking you Jarhead, I normally find your posts to be some of the more insightful on here just don't agree with this one

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  • 2 WORDS... BRET BIELEMA... If he can do it, Fickell can.

    Rabid Dog

  • Maybe you should wait until he coaches at one game before you pick him as our next coach. Just sayin....

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    StarBuck

  • I agree we need to award the job to Luke...NOW. there is minimal risk here. He is a great recruiter if he can swing K Kalis in an hour phone call to keep his commitment when no coach and looming bowl bans are waiting...that is impressive. He deserves the shot. If it doesn't work out Luke would be the first one to want out...and we move on to a big name coach in a few years. If it does work out....the upside is HUGE, We could have a guy who could be here for 10-20 years! Nothing better for a program than that. As far as the statement about only getting "MAC" players? Seems Wisconsin has done just fine with that talent. Give me a kid who bleeds buckeyes over another TP or the likes any day. We will need that type of player to keep our program above water the next few years. A type of kid who is ALL about OSU and not about ME. Not just one who likes to say it on TV, but one who lives it every day...even when nobody is looking.

    jjmonheim

  • Why do people assume Fickell knew anything. That is a pretty big allegation. If there is no evidence that JT's superiors were informed, why would he tell anyone else on the staff? After the initial allegations and admission, Coach Fickell was as surprised as anyone.

    I need to wait and see if there are any additional suspension before I give out a record. Assuming we did lose more players, I would not expect Fickell to have to win 9 or 10 games to keep his job. The task in front of him is monumental.

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    Cleveland Orchestra Baby!! World's greatest!! The Brown's wet dream is to be them.

    Pula_86

  • There are two "must haves" for Luke to be able to pull off a great season this year, given where we stand now --- 1) find a capable OC that would take the job for one year only as certain (I love the suggestion that we look to Glenn Mason -- fits the criteria), 2) Get TP "rehabilitated". I have written elsewhere about him and his situation, but he is the only guy who can lead this team through Miami, Nebraska, MSU, Wisky, etc. I will relish having Miller florish as a Buckeye QB, but not as a freshman. TP may be the most mis-understood QB, or player, in OSU history. He is an OK kid, believe he. But I fear that he may ultimately have a lot of difficulty explaining away, acceptably to the NCAA, having 8 cars in 3 years.

    Fick is an outstanding talent and young man. We could very well be looking at the start of a long and very successful reign as the next Buckeye coach. He has that within him. He can/will grow into the job and more quickly than we might believe. But without the OC and QB help, we may never get to see it. If he goes 5-0, give him the permanent title immdeiately!

    fportner

  • If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Meyer's health issues due to Esophageal Spasms caused by Acid Reflux? Those spasms mimic a heart attack except there is no shooting pain up the arm, just chest pressure. I know these symptoms because I have had them several times before, since 1991. The little purple pill (Nexium) takes care of the reflux. All of that is caused mostly by stress.

    pba6978

  • coachjenks said...

    Speaking of Bollman, I asked a guy who interned for him for a few years if he was more, less, or equal to Tress when it comes to being conservative with game plans and play calling. My boy really disappointed my be saying he thinks he's evern MORE conservative than Tress! I know thats not the type of news people want to hear...

    Very interesting. I heard that myself. A retired coach told me that he knew this was Jim Tressels offense because if it was Bollmans it would be even more conservative.

    Duane

  • grccoins said...

    Also on Meyer.......

    According to Scout, Florida has had the following recruiting ranks for the 5 years ending in 2010:

    1 - 2 - 12 - 21 - 1

    which resulted in an 8-5 record this past year. Write it off to Meyer's personal issues etc, they are still there and that's all he could do in a down year in the SEC.

    Also what Muschamp does with Meyer's team this year MIGHT give us more insight...

    LUKE! LUKE!! LUKE!!!

    Totally agree.

    Husker Buckeye

  • ohiost83 said...

    If Fickell goes 11-2 type and gets to the Big Ten title game and a BCS bowl, keeping him would not bother me. Give Heacock a huge two year raise to make sure he runs the defense with Haynes and Johnson, and churns out another top 10 defense, and allow Fickell to coach and not worry abou the defense with it in Heacock's hands. OSU got Drayton, give him some more offensive reigns. Get rid of Doc Tressel and Bollman and go after young stud recruiter/coach PJ Fleck from Rutgers, who was on an OSU short list when Drayton was hired. Do that, and OSU could be just fine. Love Urban Meyer, but his health, fire to get back and how long would he hang into coach would be real questions. Fickell if successful his first few years, could be at OSU a long time, and he is young and a great recruiter for his age. Add some ex Buckeyes like Steve Tovar down the road and that could work just fine.

    I don't think there is any chance Heacock sticks around. He has said publicly that he has been trying to retire for three years.

    Duane

  • Urban's health: After a two year lay-off and some introspection an individual like Urban is better equipped to identify the stress points and back away from them. Some people handle stress better than others, and, I believe people can be taught to handle stress. Should he be hired at some point, I don't think the stress would have as much impact.

    Nutbuck1