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Luke > Urban: Here's Why

  • shaunsimpson said...

    I worry that FIckel won't be able to handle the front line part of being a head coach. Sometimes the coaching is the easiest part. I am not confident a guy who hasn't even ran a defense by himself can run a program this big. With that said I will not cry one bit if he is the head coach since many others know him better than I do (which is zero) so if they feel he can do it than great.

    Is it just me or is Coach Cooper stepping up into that role as front line/media spokesmen?

    Also, I am hearing that Walt Harris could fill the vacant job as OC.

    What do you guys think?

    Jagstyle

  • Duane said...

    I don't think there is any chance Heacock sticks around. He has said publicly that he has been trying to retire for three years.

    I agree. I know someone that knows Heacock real well. Maybe just one year, one more year with enough money tied into to have Heacock stay around so Luke can focus on head coaching, and let Heacock handle the defense a second year for Fickell, if indeed this were to happen.
    A name like Pagac popping back up would not surprise either, as a veteran DC who could come back and bring veteran guidance to a young coach.

    ohiost83

  • pba6978 said...

    If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Meyer's health issues due to Esophageal Spasms caused by Acid Reflux? Those spasms mimic a heart attack except there is no shooting pain up the arm, just chest pressure. I know these symptoms because I have had them several times before, since 1991. The little purple pill (Nexium) takes care of the reflux. All of that is caused mostly by stress.

    He has seen doctors. If that fixes the problem seems he would not have retired two years in a row.

    I like Meyer. I don't see where some of the venom is coming from. If he is the head coach that is fine with me. If we wait until the end of the season, and Meyer is willing and able, that may be an option we have to look at. I think if Fickell handles the job well and wins a game that shows he is up to the job, which means Michigan State and Nebraska, why wait? The time element is crucial to the scenario I lay out here.

    Duane

  • did u forget that the two teams playing for a NC last year both had dynamic spread offenses? just saying some of u people kill me theres no way fickell is the coach in my book osu should never hire a first year head coach with one year of expirience not to mention when u got an ohio guy sitting there with two rings on his finger and a number of recruiting titles and hes clearly interested in the job OK for all u doubters lets just say the new coach who ever it may be doesnt work out we could prob still go get fickel years down the road when u turn 16 your first car isnt a lambo people and your first coaching job isnt at a 5* university i dont care what the situation is

    buckeyesfball7

  • Why wait? Are you serious with that?
    We don't know what the sanctions are. We don't know how good Fickell will be. We don't even know if this is the AD he will be working for. Let's say a new AD comes in at the end of the year. He would obviously want his own guy and this why wait scenario would mean he's saddled with someone who is not his guy when his marching orders would be to clean up this scandal.
    What in the world would be the hurry to rush into hiring someone with absolutely zero head coaching experience? That kind of rationale simply eludes me.
    That Ohio State would even consider someone with no head coaching experience is stunning. That people are advocating it is mind boggling.
    You put Fickell's resume next to Meyer, Gruden, Dantonio, hell even Brady Hoke and it's an absolute joke. Fickell was on staff and assistant head coach during the biggest scandal in school history. Did USC or Colorado or Auburn or Alabama or Oklahoma hire members of staff to take over when their scandal-ridden head coaches were run?
    Of course not. Yet we're insisting that is the course of action that should be taken here?
    Wow.

    Fullback26

  • Fullback26 said...

    Why wait? Are you serious with that? We don't know what the sanctions are. We don't know how good Fickell will be. We don't even know if this is the AD he will be working for. Let's say a new AD comes in at the end of the year. He would obviously want his own guy and this why wait scenario would mean he's saddled with someone who is not his guy when his marching orders would be to clean up this scandal. What in the world would be the hurry to rush into hiring someone with absolutely zero head coaching experience? That kind of rationale simply eludes me. That Ohio State would even consider someone with no head coaching experience is stunning. That people are advocating it is mind boggling. You put Fickell's resume next to Meyer, Gruden, Dantonio, hell even Brady Hoke and it's an absolute joke. Fickell was on staff and assistant head coach during the biggest scandal in school history. Did USC or Colorado or Auburn or Alabama or Oklahoma hire members of staff to take over when their scandal-ridden head coaches were run? Of course not. Yet we're insisting that is the course of action that should be taken here? Wow.

    Are you talking to me? If you are I ask you who is doing your redacting? When have I said make him the head coach right now? I am not saying take the interim label off now. I am saying wait until he does have some games under his belt.

    Duane

  • ohiost83 said...

    I agree. I know someone that knows Heacock real well. Maybe just one year, one more year with enough money tied into to have Heacock stay around so Luke can focus on head coaching, and let Heacock handle the defense a second year for Fickell, if indeed this were to happen. A name like Pagac popping back up would not surprise either, as a veteran DC who could come back and bring veteran guidance to a young coach.

    Pugs recruiting deficiencies would rule out a return. He was worst than Earle Bruce.

    Duane

  • Fullback26 said...

    Fickell has next to no chance at this job. USA Today is now reporting the NCAA has expanded its investigation to the very beginning of the Tressel Era. That could push the hearing date back to October, with penalties not meted out until January.

    If it becomes that serious, even more egregious than previously stated, no way does anyone from this staff get to stay here. The University can't afford the PR of having anyone connected with Tressel staying on when they are about to get slapped for the biggest violations in school history.

    Even if it isn't delayed, Ohio State is already in major league trouble, with a major violation on the books. Did Gerald Ford get elected in the 1976 election after taking over for Richard Nixon? Hell no. That would be akin to this.

    Tip your cap to Luke, I'm sure he'll do the best he can, but OSU needs to start over completely with someone not connected to Tressel. That still leaves a huge and open cupboard of guys with Ohio ties.

    There is nothing they are going to find. So please stop with who has no chance. You don't know that.

    VTBrowns

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    Interesting theory, but how does this work for Luke when you cut out his legs before you even give him a shot. What if the team rallies for him and they have a good year, you still push him out? How does Meyer go along with this, you think he's going to announce that he's taking over at OSU then sit on a ESPN set all year?

    I made this argument we need to make Luke permanent at work yesterday, the bigger problem is going the next four-months without knowing sanctions. The next six months without a HC. The program will only be able to get MAC recruits, like we have for the last three months. No offense, but we just signed a tight end that we didn't need and a 6'4 corner if there's a such thing. We need to name a coach now, we can't have the program run on cruise control for the next six months. Not attacking you Jarhead, I normally find your posts to be some of the more insightful on here just don't agree with this one

    How does what I propose work for Luke?

    Well, it gives him a year's experience as HC of one of the top 3-4 programs in the country. It also tells him exactly what he needs to do to get the job permanently:
    - get 5yr HC experience;
    - win during those 5yr;
    - return for a year to re-acclimate and pre-build your staff for a seemless takeover from Meyer.
    It also pays him for the option to pick him up down the road and tells him he has the job if he can do the things mentioned here. Finally, it takes a lot of pressure off right now...because as only the interim HC nobody will expect miracles given all the turmoil and trouble the team faces now.

    What if the team rallies for Luke? I would hope and expect that they would. It would be a chance for them to give him a great first year of the experience he needs. It wouldn't change the fact he's out after the season. (There is no rule that says you can only replace losing coaches.)

    How does Meyer go along? I'd think he'd love it. He still gets his "year off," knows what comes next down the road and gives him a full year to line up a top staff. ESPN regularly has current or soon-to-be coaches sitting on their set as analysts. So they should have no problem with the deal. If they're really concerned about impartiality they could always steer Meyer segments away from OSU. Or they could accept it (as they do with Holtz regarding ND).

    And announcing this all now (soon) would immediately help recruiting (as we both want). It gives us the HC certainty we both want. Kids will be glad to come knowing Meyer is on the way next year and the team is in the good hands of the future coach this year. The only overhang will continue to be what penalties the ncaa hands down.

    The program won't be "on cruise control" as you say, because the team will be rallying around Luke (and the Seniors), Luke will be working hard and with passion (because it's his nature and since its the 1st of the 5yrs of success he needs to get the job permanently).

    I don't see the downside. Could it blow up? Sure...just like any plan, including naming a zero experience "hometown favorite" HC now.

    IMHO, it is a far better bet than either:
    - putting off the permanent HC decision;
    or
    - naming a guy with zero HC experience to the job permanently now.

    BTW, I'd feel the same if we substitute the names "Stoops" or "Patterson" for Meyer above.

    One last point. What happens if they name Luke permanent HC now and he goes down in a flaming heap? He'd certainly be fired here and it would be a MUCH HARDER job for him to get another HC gig. If he flames out as interim coach in such a troubled situation, he has a pretty firm excuse. However, if he's named the permanent HC he'll be expected to overcome all obstacles and succeed (or else).

    This post was edited by JarheadBuck on 6/2/2011 at 3:46 PM

    JarheadBuck

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