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What about Cleveland?

I'm telling you, everybody wants out that crap hole.

Columbus math? I dont usually cite Wikipedia as a legit source,but since thats where you want to gather information lets actually compare apples to apples.(see below). BTW, I LOVE how you are counting a TWELVE county region in the CSA of Cbus(stretching all the way to Knox and Morrow Counties) but only 4 counties when you cite Clevelands population. Thats typical though of Columbus, only count the greater number when it applies to Cbus. Anybody who argues that Columbus is as widely recognized as Cleveland (or Cincinnati for that matter) is completely out of tune with reality. Outside of Franklin County people will laugh in your face when you start mentioning Columbus as a cultured and important city. Mind you it would be right after they asked you where Columbus Ohio is located.

"The larger Cleveland-Akron-Elyria Combined Statistical Area is the 14th-largest Combined Statistical Area in the United States, and includes the above counties plus Ashtabula County, Portage County and Summit County, with a population of 2,881,937.

The Cleveland-Akron-Canton television Designated Market Area covers this area, and all of Northeast Ohio except for the Youngstown/Warren region. It is the 16th largest in the United States, according to Nielsen Media Research. Changes in house prices for Greater Cleveland are publicly tracked on a regular basis using the Case–Shiller index; the statistic is published by Standard & Poor's and is also a component of S&P's 20-city composite index of the value of the U.S. residential real estate market"

Why dont you just claim the entire Midwest as Columbus and then go tell New Yorkers that Columbus is the largest city in the US?

Dude your beef isn't with me I just cited some stats. I am not counting anything. I cited wiikki because it is easier to understand than the US Census website, which is where they got their numbers. So I guess you can take your argument to the US Census Bureau. They obviously are measuring things differently than you are. It would be good to link where you are getting your info.

Shaun, I dont live in Cleveland and havent in 20 years. Ive lived in Seattle, San Francisco and San Diego. Ive yet to find anybody who hasnt heard of Cleveland. In fact a small percentage think Ohio State is IN Cleveland. My point is that Cleveland and Cincy have national reputations and Columbus does not. When I was an undergrad at OSU I remember the city of Columbus mounting a drive so that USA Today would include them on the "weather page" of the newspaper. Talk about insecurity. What other city does that? I love Cleveland and Cincy but Columbus is full of cookie cutter phonies driving around in leased Lexus' and living in little houses made to look old who (for some reason) think they are the center of the US. Its the same bunch that will tell you theyd rather have an MLS team rather than an NFL team because the Browns suck. The same idiots who will yap about the Cavaliers being bad and ignoring that the Blue Jackets are possibly the worst franchise in the history of the NHL. I was in Cleveland last March for the NCAA Tournament and let me tell you, the East 4th Street development kicks the snot out of anything Columbus OR Cincy has. Its generally people who have never been to NE Ohio who rip it and have nothing to base it on other than what theyve heard from 1970's newspaper clippings. The great thing about America is that you dont have to live in Cleveland and I dont have to live in Columbus. We can agree to disagree. At least we can agree on one thing and that's "Go Bucks!"

This is about the most sensible logic presented yet, IMO.