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Ohio State and the B1G Dilemma!!

  • As an Ohio State fan that lives in the heart of SEC country and seeing how these programs down here are pushing each other in everything from recruiting to coaching staff salaries to overall football facilities in trying to build the best programs possible and how the media is always fawning all over these schools, it leads me to a question. Even with having Urban Meyer doing the outstanding job so far of re-building the Buckeyes, could the national outlook and perception of the B1G possibility be a hindrance to Ohio State going forward?

    Let me first say that I don't feel in any way that Coach Tressel had the Buckeyes relegated to being a second class program by any means. Its just that with the recent scandals that have rocked the program, the struggles of the B1G in major non-conference games (including major bowl games) and media outlets like ESPN that have cast such a negative perception on the conference, does the B1G need to step up for Ohio State to truly be given the same equal opportunity as the top SEC, PAC-12, and B12 programs to reach the national title games, especially if we have say a one-loss team?

    What I would like to know is how everyone else feels on this issue. Do you feel that the rest of the B1G needs to become a stronger overall conference to help better position Ohio State to compete for national titles or that no matter how the rest of the B1G is, Ohio State will always be in a great position to compete and win national titles?

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    ohiobuckeye725

  • It helps if we have a one-loss team, but let's be honest - Oklahoma State won the top ranked conference this year according to the computers and was still passed up for another one-loss team. If people think you're really good, it doesn't matter what conference you're in.

    drmiller166

  • We have to go undeafeted to win it... simple and plain!

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  • Ohio State can compete with anyone from any conference. I don't think anyone has more BCS bowl wins.

    The SEC is the top dog right. They always have a very good bowl record (despite having a narrow lead over the Big Ten) and the fact that multiple teams from the conference have won titles is huge too. Yes, I get tired of hearing about them, but they are the best right now.

    If the Big Ten, as a conference, steps up it will be good for Ohio State. The potential is there. Michigan is starting to get back to being Michigan. Penn State may (eventually) become elite again. Bucky and Sparty have been consistently good lately. Nebraska could be great again, but we'll see. Northwestern is respectable. Illinois has the potential. No doubt Ohio State will be back in a big way.

    BuckeyeFreak

  • The re-emergence of scUM will actually help the national perception of the B1G and also rejuvenate the rivalry. One negative is I do not see PSU being good anytime soon. Wisky has been solid and Michigan State has put together a few back to back solid teams. I would really like to see B1G have a solid bowl season next year.

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  • IMHO, it was Urban who ushered in the arms race in the SEC. Other programs realized that if they did not go ALL in, they would not be able to compete with Urban and Florida. I am now wondering if the same thing will happen with B1G programs. We have seen what he can do in a short amount of time at OSU...if other B1G programs don't ante up he will dominate the conference for the next decade.

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  • As a conference, I'm not sure the Big Ten can consistently be better than the SEC. Coaches aside, the SEC has several advantages:
    1. Fertile recruiting areas...Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, the Carolinas, Louisiana, etc. With the addition of A&M, they'll probably be in Texas even more. The Big Ten basically has Ohio and Penn.
    2. Oversigning. Not everyone does it but many, including 'Bama and LSU, do. They basically sign the equivalent of 5 classes in 4 years...and find creative ways to get rid of those that don't pan out.
    3. Lots of cheating, lots of of cover up.
    4. Generally speaking, they let in any recruit and find ways to keep them eligible.
    5. The state of Florida, and I believe others, have spring practice. Players are more ready from the start.

    However, OSU doesn't really need the Big Ten. Florida State (ACC) and Miami (Big East) played in worse conferences back when they were great and it didn't hurt them one bit. Other than not being the 1-loss team to "get in," I don't see the Big Ten actually hurting OSU. When push comes to shove, I could care less about the Big Ten...it's all about the Buckeyes!

    BuckeyeFreak

  • No one ever questions USC and they play in the Pac-12. A conference which has been worse nationally than the Big Ten.

    We take care of our own business and we'll be fine.

    scUM & Nebraska are good enough to push OSU in conference in terms of national programs. Wisky is not national but always gives us a fight.

    That's fine by me. I can't believe that PSU will be down THAT long either.

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  • WoodyHayes1951 said...

    No one ever questions USC and they play in the Pac-12.

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  • I was not meaning other B1G could rise to the level of the higher end SEC schools, but at least be competitive with Meyer at OSU, which they will not be if they keep the status quo.

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  • BuckeyeFreak said...

    As a conference, I'm not sure the Big Ten can consistently be better than the SEC. Coaches aside, the SEC has several advantages:
    1. Fertile recruiting areas...Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, the Carolinas, Louisiana, etc. With the addition of A&M, they'll probably be in Texas even more. The Big Ten basically has Ohio and Penn.
    2. Oversigning. Not everyone does it but many, including 'Bama and LSU, do. They basically sign the equivalent of 5 classes in 4 years...and find creative ways to get rid of those that don't pan out.
    3. Lots of cheating, lots of of cover up.
    4. Generally speaking, they let in any recruit and find ways to keep them eligible.
    5. The state of Florida, and I believe others, have spring practice. Players are more ready from the start.

    However, OSU doesn't really need the Big Ten. Florida State (ACC) and Miami (Big East) played in worse conferences back when they were great and it didn't hurt them one bit. Other than not being the 1-loss team to "get in," I don't see the Big Ten actually hurting OSU. When push comes to shove, I could care less about the Big Ten...it's all about the Buckeyes!

    Illinois has alot of talent and Indiana has started to produce more talent recently...

    bucky34

  • We will have just as fair of a shot as anyone outside of the SEC. The PAC 12 is not good and the BIG is not that bad, bottom line if you are not on the SeC you have to go undefeated, if you lose a game you still might have a shot but it's a crap shoot at that point

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    BuckeyeKeg

  • It also appears that very soon there is going to be some sort of +1 model. That will make it harder to keep out an Oklahoma State from this year, or a future 1-loss Buckeye team. Once they're in the "semi's", it will be up to them.

    This post was edited by mikemohr on 1/22/2012 at 12:02 AM

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  • drmiller166 said...

    It helps if we have a one-loss team, but let's be honest - Oklahoma State won the top ranked conference this year according to the computers and was still passed up for another one-loss team. If people think you're really good, it doesn't matter what conference you're in.

    A one-loss team with a weaker SOS and who less ranked teams mind you.

    I'd replace "people" with "ESPN" in the "If people think you're really good, it doesn't matter what conference you're in." sentence though. Hopefully the horrible BCS ratings forces ESPN to back off and stop tampering with sports.

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