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PSU Death Penalty a no-brainer

  • How can the NCAA NOT issue a death penalty sanction against Penn State? Seriously! What could any college program do that would be worse than what the Freeh Report has shown that Penn State actually did.

    They knew about child sexual abuse within their football program for 14 years. They granted the pervert access to all football program facilities. They never made any attempt to identify and help the children who were raped. They orchestrated a cover-up, all the way up to the office of the President of the University and, likely, the Board of Regents. They continued to associate with the pervert professionally and socially for over a decade. And nobody batted an eye -- while Jerry Sandusky earned a guilty verdict on 45 counts of sexual abuse of children. Talk about lack of institutional control!

    Giving Penn State the Death Penalty would be a mercy-killing. Give them 10 years without college football in Happy Valley to think things over. It'll do 'em good.

    This post was edited by AAStagg on 7/14/2012 at 2:05 PM

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  • 10 years is a bit extreme lol

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  • Diegobuck said...

    10 years is a bit extreme lol

    14 years of child molestation is extreme. I would not care if they shut the football program down to be honest.

    buckUPboy

  • I just think it's a legal matter over anything the NCAA can do. They weren't given a competitive advantage with this at all. I just don't know what NCAA laws were broken with this.

    I think we all need to step back and look at what should happen based off of law instead of what we want to happen to them because of some of their fans or any kind of bad blood we may have between us because of football games.

    1. Sandusky is gone for life
    2. Paterno is dead
    3. Their BOT will be finished/sent to prison

    Why should the current football team/coaching staff suffer because of the previous regime? If anything, make the university pay huge fines. Hitting the school in the pocketbook would be the most damaging.

    And before you say anything about comparing this to the Ohio State cover up, it's a totally different matter as the NCAA wasn't directly lied to. I don't like Penn State anymore than what most of you do but you have to look at this logically. I'm not sure any NCAA-specific rules were broken.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by Holtzheartbucks on 7/14/2012 at 2:38 PM

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  • Another new thread on this is excessive.

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  • The only other Death sentence in college football (SMU) serves to this day as a reminder of what can happen when illegal recruiting tactics get way out of control. So in a much more significant context, PSU receiving the death penalty will serve as a constant reminder for years to come of the horrors of the sexual abuse of children and the role enablers played.

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  • Holtzheartbucks said...

    I just think it's a legal matter over anything the NCAA can do. They weren't given a competitive advantage with this at all. I just don't know what NCAA laws were broken with this.

    I think we all need to step back and look at what should happen based off of law instead of what we want to happen to them because of some of their fans or any kind of bad blood we may have between us because of football games.

    1. Sandusky is gone for life 2. Paterno is dead 3. Their BOT will be finished/sent to prison

    Why should the current football team/coaching staff suffer because of the previous regime? If anything, make the university pay huge fines. Hitting the school in the pocketbook would be the most damaging.

    And before you say anything about comparing this to the Ohio State cover up, it's a totally different matter as the NCAA wasn't directly lied to. I don't like Penn State anymore than what most of you do but you have to look at this logically. I'm not sure any NCAA-specific rules were broken.

    I am getting extremely tired of people saying this...staff is there anyway we could sticky the letter Penn State got sent from the NCAA in November so ignorant people stop saying that they do not see how the NCAA can punish them...the letter clearly states that among other things institutions are held to ethical and morality standards for which they can be punished.

    corybuckeye

  • corybuckeye said...

    I am getting extremely tired of people saying this...staff is there anyway we could sticky the letter Penn State got sent from the NCAA in November so ignorant people stop saying that they do not see how the NCAA can punish them...the letter clearly states that among other things institutions are held to ethical and morality standards for which they can be punished.

    People will always have opinions different than your own. No need for name calling.

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  • corybuckeye said...

    I am getting extremely tired of people saying this...staff is there anyway we could sticky the letter Penn State got sent from the NCAA in November so ignorant people stop saying that they do not see how the NCAA can punish them...the letter clearly states that among other things institutions are held to ethical and morality standards for which they can be punished.

    Regardless of what the NCAA has sent to PSU, there is still been no notice of allegations. Until that actually happens there will be no sanctions. There is a process here and the NCAA is going to have to do some wild extrapolations to mete out sanctions and have an argument that makes sense. You cannot prove that Paterno sheltered the tickle monster because of the football program unless you have direct statements from him saying as much. There is an argument that can be made that they did this specifically for the sake of Sandusky.

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  • Holtzheartbucks said...

    Why should the current football team/coaching staff suffer because of the previous regime? If anything, make the university pay huge fines. Hitting the school in the pocketbook would be the most damaging.

    And before you say anything about comparing this to the Ohio State cover up, it's a totally different matter as the NCAA wasn't directly lied to. I don't like Penn State anymore than what most of you do but you have to look at this logically. I'm not sure any NCAA-specific rules were broken.

    Actually, this is very similar to the Tressel cover-up.

    - Tressel failed to disclose something in order to protect the football program and avoid loss of players, loss of recruits, and loss of revenue.

    - Paterno failed to disclose something in order to protect the football program and avoid loss of recruits and loss of revenue. Only Paterno coverup is 1,000 times worse than Tressel coverup. Sodomy and child rape vs tattoos?

    I was ready to advocate moving on based on your reasons, but I came to my senses. If they don't get at least what OSU got it will be a travesty. In fact, I believe PSU would serve themselves well if they voluntarily gave themselves a 3 or 4 year death penalty from football. Then the country would believe they are serious about righting the ship. It would make them stronger in the long run and create a gap between the old PSU and the new PSU. It would create tremendous good will everywhere instead of festering forever.

    Come on PSU, bite the bullet. OSU did.

    McCague

  • Holtzheartbucks said...

    They weren't given a competitive advantage with this at all.

    Why should the current football team/coaching staff suffer because of the previous regime?

    Tats didn't help our players competitively, and the ncaa doesn't really care who faces the punishment. look at us, Tressel (the only one involved is gone) and the 2012 players are still being punished. Hell look at USC, their players where in jr high when the reggie bush stuff happened

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  • InTresslWeTrust said...

    Tats didn't help our players competitively, and the ncaa doesn't really care who faces the punishment. look at us, Tressel (the only one involved is gone) and the 2012 players are still being punished. Hell look at USC, their players where in jr high when the reggie bush stuff happened

    Getting paid for selling memorabilia could be seen as a recruiting advantage. On your second point, I agree the NCAA doesn't care but I was just saying I don't think it's right to hurt the people who weren't even there when these things happened.

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  • McCague said...

    Actually, this is very similar to the Tressel cover-up.

    - Tressel failed to disclose something in order to protect the football program and avoid loss of players, loss of recruits, and loss of revenue.

    - Paterno failed to disclose something in order to protect the football program and avoid loss of recruits and loss of revenue. Only Paterno coverup is 1,000 times worse than Tressel coverup. Sodomy and child rape vs tattoos?

    I was ready to advocate moving on based on your reasons, but I came to my senses. If they don't get at least what OSU got it will be a travesty. In fact, I believe PSU would serve themselves well if they voluntarily gave themselves a 3 or 4 year death penalty from football. Then the country would believe they are serious about righting the ship. It would make them stronger in the long run and create a gap between the old PSU and the new PSU. It would create tremendous good will everywhere instead of festering forever.

    Come on PSU, bite the bullet. OSU did.

    Covering up child rape and covering up ncaa violations are not the same. Nobody was physically harmed by Tressel's actions......many were by Paternos. Sure maybe the overall reason for it is the same, but it is for all scandals.....no one wants to face the repercussions.

    Our recent obsession with Penn States football programs punishment is getting crazy. I agree they deserve something, but what is most important is that Sandusky and his enablers are punished first.

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  • Five schools have received the Death Penalty. Two in the last decade. SMU was the only football program that received it.

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  • Holtzheartbucks said...

    People will always have opinions different than your own. No need for name calling.

    I agree the name calling may not be necessary. But it doesn't make his point any less relevant. You can have an opinion on this. But there is a fact that the NCAA have now established that there is a by-law violation. Therefore your opinion is irrelevant. Because your point was wrong.

    Now if your opinion is actuaLly that the NCAA should stay out of it, then that is different.

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  • playmea said...

    I agree the name calling may not be necessary. But it doesn't make his point any less relevant. You can have an opinion on this. But there is a fact that the NCAA have now established that there is a by-law violation. Therefore your opinion is irrelevant. Because your point was wrong.

    Now if your opinion is actuaLly that the NCAA should stay out of it, then that is different.

    I dont see how I am name calling.....being ignorant is a state if he wants to become informed go read the letter.....that is all I am saying

    corybuckeye

  • jostarchvic said...

    Regardless of what the NCAA has sent to PSU, there is still been no notice of allegations. Until that actually happens there will be no sanctions. There is a process here and the NCAA is going to have to do some wild extrapolations to mete out sanctions and have an argument that makes sense. You cannot prove that Paterno sheltered the tickle monster because of the football program unless you have direct statements from him saying as much. There is an argument that can be made that they did this specifically for the sake of Sandusky.

    The NCAA doesn't have to prove anything. They can regulate based on circumstancial evidence and anecdotal observations if they feel like it.

    Also, that letter to PSU served as a notice of allegations and asked for a response from PSU on the allegations. It listed the allegations individually and offered questions for PSU to answer. This is very similar to the NOA that we received as well. After PSU responds, the NCAA will issue their findings, like they did with us.

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  • corybuckeye said...

    I dont see how I am name calling.....being ignorant is a state if he wants to become informed go read the letter.....that is all I am saying

    Potato potahto... I know what you are saying, but it sounded angry. He didn't like the insinuation of ignorance. But I also agree with you. I'm getting annoyed that so many people keep saying this despite the NCAA making it perfectly clear what their intentions are.

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  • Holtzheartbucks said...

    I just think it's a legal matter over anything the NCAA can do. They weren't given a competitive advantage with this at all. I just don't know what NCAA laws were broken with this.

    I think we all need to step back and look at what should happen based off of law instead of what we want to happen to them because of some of their fans or any kind of bad blood we may have between us because of football games.

    1. Sandusky is gone for life 2. Paterno is dead 3. Their BOT will be finished/sent to prison

    Why should the current football team/coaching staff suffer because of the previous regime? If anything, make the university pay huge fines. Hitting the school in the pocketbook would be the most damaging.

    And before you say anything about comparing this to the Ohio State cover up, it's a totally different matter as the NCAA wasn't directly lied to. I don't like Penn State anymore than what most of you do but you have to look at this logically. I'm not sure any NCAA-specific rules were broken.

    How is covering up this abuse NOT a competitive advantage exactly Holtz? IF Joe Pa and everyone else in PSU had actually done something it would of HURT the football program A LOT. They would of had a ton of negative pub, not to mention that would of ruined the rep of Joe Pa and the football program alike. The recruits would of seen this and stayed far away from the program for other places. They didn't expose Sandusky for that exact reason. They and Joe Pa didn't want the football reputation at PSU to be tarnished and wanted to keep the "Legendary Coach" on his high horse!

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  • If covering it up wasn't a competitive advantage, then please tell me why they covered it up.

    It was clear they did so to hide bad publicity, which in turn affects recruiting. End of story, competitive advantage.

    Jackson2340

  • playmea said...

    Potato potahto... I know what you are saying, but it sounded angry. He didn't like the insinuation of ignorance. But I also agree with you. I'm getting annoyed that so many people keep saying this despite the NCAA making it perfectly clear what their intentions are.

    I hear ya man and no anger just frustration I think we have had enough threads on this that people on this site wouldve known the facts by now....to me the only thing that is up for debate is whether or not the NCAA will get involved in terms of sanctions....its been shown that they CAN....now if we want to argue about whether or not they will thats fine...and as to the no competitive advantage.....bad publicity is a competitve disadvantage in terms of recruiting the administrators at PSU knew this, hence the cover up.

    corybuckeye

  • Jackson2340 said...

    If covering it up wasn't a competitive advantage, then please tell me why they covered it up.

    It was clear they did so to hide bad publicity, which in turn affects recruiting. End of story, competitive advantage.

    EXACTLY!!! If they didn't have anything to gain from a football perspective, they wouldn't have done it.

    Had everything been handled back in 1998: how many recruits would have gone elsewhere? How many games would have been lost as a result? It cannot even be calculated because each has a snowball effect of negative reaction.

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  • It isn't the competitive advantage issue as much as playing intelligible players.
    The NCAA has the right to regulate this how they want. I hate the use of the death penalty here because there is no similar situation.
    Why do we feel a need to find a situation to compare this. It isn't comparable.
    The traditional death penalty is held for repeat violators in collegient athletic related events.
    This is so beyond this. Kids should be allowed to transfer out with no penalty and then hit them hard. I don't care what. Get rid of the hurting other players that were not there.

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