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Tiger is not going to break Jack's record

  • I'm back with my fourth annual "Tiger is not going to break Jack's record" post. The first year I posted this everyone thought breaking the record would be a slam dunk for Woods. The next year a few give the record a change to hold up, but just a small chance. I'm guessing a number of you are finally coming on board now.

    Tiger is not going to break the record. Time is running out, and he still doesn't have his game back. Struggling with a new coach, new swing, new caddy, new life. His competition is getting stonger, and without the level of intimidation there used to be. His body is aging with ailments and prior injuries, and that will become more significant as the years pass on. He's already starting to get the yips.

    Ohio56

  • His game is improving under his new coach. I think he will break the record it just wont be in the same style as before. He wont have another "grand slam", but he will still break it. Tigers got another 10 years of golf left in him. Do you really think in 10 years he wont win another 4 majors? I think he will win a Major this year. Hes very good at the British and PGA.

    I hate how people jump on bandwagons. Last week everyone was all "TIGERS BACK". Then he has a bad week and everyone is all "TIGER IS NOT GOING TO BREAK JACKS RECORD". The man is the greatest golfer whos ever played the game; anyone who doesnt see that is just ignorant and bias.

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    Cody

  • Sorry to say but I disagree with you.

    He still has more talent than anyone on the course. He will make his changes and I honestly feel that by the end of this year he will be striking the ball better than anyone else. I went to the Honda on Saturday and Sunday this year and he is swinging much better and smoother than ever--not as violent. He did not putt well on Saturday but Sunday he made all of the putts that he made in the past--then we took the weekend because of spring break with the grandkids and took them to Orlando the week of Bay Hill, I got to go out Sunday and saw him hit shots that were vintage Tiger--the best shot of the day was at the 3rd hole when he hit a knockdown at the pin and it took one hop and died 3 feet.

    The other shot that he hit that makes me believe he is more than half way back was the shot on 18 at the Honda. 248 yards carry, over a bunker and stop the ball within 20 feet. I know that is not in my bag nor will a lot of players at his level hit a high cut at the water and be able to execute it. He admitted he pushed that shot about 15 feet. But to execute in those parameters, he is getting it back.

    I hope you realize that I did not even mention the 240 yard carry over water to a back pin placement on the 6th at Bayhill. Even though he missed the putt, he still made birdie and hit every shot he had to on the way in. He is the only golfer that did not break down in the wind that day that had anything on the line.

    Those types of things make me think he is more than 50% of the way back but if you are a golfer, you realize you do not have it every time out and the harder you try on a shot the more difficult it is to hit. He is currently putting way too much pressure on himself. When the swing feels natural and he has confidence that the ball will go where he is planning it to go, then he will win and win a lot.

    Majors included. He has 5 to 7 more majors in him.

    PSLBUCK

  • I've been on your bandwagon for a few years now. Am I correct in stating that he needs 5 majors to BREAK Jack's record (14 v. 18)?

    I think all your premises are correct - he doesn't have the psyche, the body, the swing, or the weak competition he used to. He may win another, but not 5 - saving us the embarrassing debates about how his personal life figures into his place in history. Right now, personal shortcomings or not, everyone is comfortable acknowledging him as "one of the best ever". Let's leave it at that.

    Slightly off topic - I thought that Louis Oosthoizen's swing was the best thing I have seen since Fred Couples in his prime. Less tempo and effortlessness than Fred's, but absolute, simple mechanical perfection. I would kill for a swing like that. I thought he looked like a modern-day Ben Hogan. Hat's off to Bubba, but I think Louis will end up with more majors.

    This post was edited by dmagnus1 on 4/9/2012 at 8:15 AM

    dmagnus1

  • dmagnus1 said...

    I've been on your bandwagon for a few years now. Am I correct in stating that he needs 5 majors to BREAK Jack's record (14 v. 18)?

    I think all your premises are correct - he doesn't have the psyche, the body, the swing, or the weak competition he used to. He may win another, but not 5 - saving us the embarrassing debates about how his personal life figures into his place in history. Right now, personal shortcomings or not, everyone is comfortable acknowledging him as "one of the best ever". Let's leave it at that.

    Slightly off topic - I thought that Louis Oosthoizen's swing was the best thing I have seen since Fred Couples in his prime. Less tempo and effortlessness than Fred's, but absolute, simple mechanical perfection. I would kill for a swing like that. I thought he looked like a modern-day Ben Hogan. Hat's off to Bubba, but I think Louis will end up with more majors.

    As of right now, you can put a fork in him.

    Randy Comp

  • I think he still has a chance to break the record, but I think he has won his last Masters. He has not won there since they started "Tiger-proofing" it. There are courses coming up for the US Open, British Open, and PGA that he is too good at to not win at least a few.

    My question for the OP and anyone who does not think he will make it to 18 is how many do you think he will win?

    purple_rein

  • Cody said...

    I hate how people jump on bandwagons. Last week everyone was all "TIGERS BACK". Then he has a bad week and everyone is all "TIGER IS NOT GOING TO BREAK JACKS RECORD". The man is the greatest golfer whos ever played the game; anyone who doesnt see that is just ignorant and bias.

    I was ok with your statements until the last word? What the hell is bias have to do with it. I happen to not want him or ANYONE to break Jack's record. Jack was not only the greatest golfer in his time (it is very hard to compare different generations because of eguipment changes and course designs) but he was and is the greatest gentleman to ever play the game! Am I bias? or were you trying to throw out the old race card! Why in the hell can't people realize it is time for us all to be just people! If you were not hinting at race then I apologize!

    wahoo777

  • Cody said...

    His game is improving under his new coach. I think he will break the record it just wont be in the same style as before. He wont have another "grand slam", but he will still break it. Tigers got another 10 years of golf left in him. Do you really think in 10 years he wont win another 4 majors? I think he will win a Major this year. Hes very good at the British and PGA.

    I hate how people jump on bandwagons. Last week everyone was all "TIGERS BACK". Then he has a bad week and everyone is all "TIGER IS NOT GOING TO BREAK JACKS RECORD". The man is the greatest golfer whos ever played the game; anyone who doesnt see that is just ignorant and bias.

    He has to win 5 more to break Jack's record. And yes, I really think that in 10 years he won't win another 5. As to the British, PGA and U.S. Open, much depends on the particular course.

    I didn't just jump on any bandwagon this morning. I've been saying the same thing for 4 years, most of which was at a time that everyone thought like you, that it is a slam dunk. Uh-uh.

    Ohio56

  • Ohio56 said...

    He has to win 5 more to break Jack's record. And yes, I really think that in 10 years he won't win another 5. As to the British, PGA and U.S. Open, much depends on the particular course.

    I didn't just jump on any bandwagon this morning. I've been saying the same thing for 4 years, most of which was at a time that everyone thought like you, that it is a slam dunk. Uh-uh.

    Tiger is done. He doesn't have it upstairs anymore. His Dad is gone, and so is his coach. His body is past his prime, and younger golfers are coming up with as much talent every year.

    HuskerBuckeye

  • His biggest obstacle is the mental part of the game right now. If he doesn't get that back soon I don't think he'll get it together b/c as his physical skills begin to diminish its not going to get easier for him. And I agree with the original poster, I think the competition is getting tougher as well and I don't sense golfers fear him any more (taking away a psychological edge he once had) Five for the old Tiger would be a snap, five for this new Tiger seems daunting.

    Go Buckeyes!!

    NJDF

  • Tiger is now 36. Yes, 36! We all are getting older.

    He has about 8 years left to break Jack's record. Jack won his last major at the age of 44. So, that is 8 years left to go.

    He needs to settle down with hot lady who has the bod that doesn't know how to quit. Then he will be able to focus on golf. He still is hooked by hot ladies. He has to quit the women and settle down with one lady.

    One woman and golf mix bit better. I think.

    buckeyebison

  • wahoo777 said...

    I was ok with your statements until the last word? What the hell is bias have to do with it. I happen to not want him or ANYONE to break Jack's record. Jack was not only the greatest golfer in his time (it is very hard to compare different generations because of eguipment changes and course designs) but he was and is the greatest gentleman to ever play the game! Am I bias? or were you trying to throw out the old race card! Why in the hell can't people realize it is time for us all to be just people! If you were not hinting at race then I apologize!

    Well, I agree with you that Tiger is not the victim of "bias". His status as a multi-racial African American has not hurt his image or opportunities in any measurable way.

    But describing Nicklaus as "the greatest gentleman" in the game? I have heard Nicklaus called many things, including the greatest golfer in history, but never the greatest gentleman. I believe his reputation around the PGA tour was that he was somewhat cold, aloof, distant, even arrogant. Not immoral, deceitful, and narcissistic like Woods. If you're looking are a gentleman on the tour, stick with Arnie, Gary, or Lee.

    dmagnus1

  • jack had the same lay off tiger has had, so did arnold around this time or maybe a lil later in their careers an still won more majors. stop always tryen to be the guy who claps first or the one loud person in the crowd. just watch golf.

    buckUPboy

  • HuskerBuckeye said...

    Tiger is done. He doesn't have it upstairs anymore. His Dad is gone, and so is his coach. His body is past his prime, and younger golfers are coming up with as much talent every year.

    His body is much older than it should be, especially the creaky left leg- which in golf is the important one.

    davebucknut

  • If he stays healthy he has 31 majors left if you are talking 8 years. That would be a not problem for the old Tiger to get 5 wins. If the "new" version of Tiger can stay healthy I think he has a decent chance to get 5 majors. If he is battling injuries weeks before an upcoming major, then his chances go way down.
    We are talking about a guy for about a 10 year or so period who was the best golfer in the world, he had every shot in his bag. Now he has worked to almost completely change his swing. There are serious reasons for that. His body can not do what it used to. So he has to pretty much reinvent his game. So if he gets that on track over the next year and stays healthy, I think its still a possibility.

    luthershot 8

  • Luthers thinking is very sound. He still has many opportunties, enough to make it happen, but he has to get healthy. If I knew the guy I would strongly suggest he take a year off. Not from golf altogether but from competitive golf. Heal his body as well as his mind. Everything that happened away from golf is 100% his fault. That does not mean the fallout has not impacted him.

    Duane

  • Duane said...

    Luthers thinking is very sound. He still has many opportunties, enough to make it happen, but he has to get healthy. If I knew the guy I would strongly suggest he take a year off. Not from golf altogether but from competitive golf. Heal his body as well as his mind. Everything that happened away from golf is 100% his fault. That does not mean the fallout has not impacted him.

    Take a year off? He just won Bay Hill two weeks ago.

    People tend to overreact to Tiger Woods not winning a golf tournament. Is Rory McIlory suddenly done because he finished 40th in the Masters? What about the World's #1 ranked player in Luke Donald who finished 32nd?

    And Augusta is not "Tiger proofed". Since his last Masters win, the guy has finished 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 6th, 4th, 4th, and 40th this year in the tournament. He's been right there with the chance to win it almost every year except this year.

    The guy had a bad week, but after he wins another tournament here in the near future people will be back on the bandwagon. I personally think he's got the coach he needs now and other than this past week, he's shown this year that he's finally driving the ball with some consistency.

    Will he break Jack's record? I think he will, but he wont blow it out of the water. If anyone in the history of golf is going to win a major in their late 40's, wouldn't you think Tiger Woods would be the one to do it?

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  • It will be very unlikely that any of golf's stars will win 5 majors over the next 8 years. Those who think Tiger Woods will cannot get out of their mind how he used to be. Of all the majors, the Masters was always the one that seemed to be ” his” home field. But times change, and age reduces the talent of all athletes, including the very best in every sport.

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