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Who do I complain to about oversigning?

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  • AlphaBuckeye06 said...

    College isn't just here to serve students. Colleges also have to do what's best for themselves like generate revenue. Also, just because there is over signing doesn't mean those that are kept do not benefit.

    Like I said, I don't think it's fair for the players to be selfish but not the programs. If the NCAA say their cannot be over signing then IMO guys should have to sign binding contracts that restrict movement to another university or early entry to the NFL because when givin the opportunity, a lot of players care about themselves only. So I don't care if the programs look after themselves.

    Agree to disagree

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  • IMO Alpha makes a good point. How many players over the years put themselves first without giving a care about their university. I agree that it goes both ways. This is a different day and age. Universities are about making money period. These kids are making choices of universities on who can get them into the NFL, and if they can do it in three years then they're gone. They already are thinking this while in high school. The university is a business and they too need to protect their interests.

    I have more then one business, and if my competitors are able to gain an advantage over me by a certain tactic I will most certainly follow suit, if it allows me to stay competitive. I am not going to go out of business because I don't want to hurt someone's feelings, and I'm not in business to break even. I have a family, and I will do what it takes to stay alive in the business world. My kids are counting on me to deliver. Now I know OSU isn't going to go out of business, but I'm sure they don't want to fall off their perch of being on top of the revenue world.

    Do I think it's right? No it's not pretty to let a kid go, but if the NCAA thinks its so bad, then why haven't they stepped in and introduced rules to stop this. They have not, and it goes to show you that they are big business and money rules. They too don't care about the young men. So we and the BIG are going to carry the integrity torch? I say screw that. The damn NCAA doesn't care. This is a cold world. It is what it is.

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  • buckinmedina said...

    IMO Alpha makes a good point. How many players over the years put themselves first without giving a care about their university. I agree that it goes both ways. This is a different day and age. Universities are about making money period. These kids are making choices of universities on who can get them into the NFL, and if they can do it in three years then they're gone. They already are thinking this while in high school. The university is a business and they too need to protect their interests.

    I have more then one business, and if my competitors are able to gain an advantage over me by a certain tactic I will most certainly follow suit, if it allows me to stay competitive. I am not going to go out of business because I don't want to hurt someone's feelings, and I'm not in business to break even. I have a family, and I will do what it takes to stay alive in the business world. My kids are counting on me to deliver. Now I know OSU isn't going to go out of business, but I'm sure they don't want to fall off their perch of being on top of the revenue world.

    Do I think it's right? No it's not pretty to let a kid go, but if the NCAA thinks its so bad, then why haven't they stepped in and introduced rules to stop this. They have not, and it goes to show you that they are big business and money rules. They too don't care about the young men. So we and the BIG are going to carry the integrity torch? I say screw that. The damn NCAA doesn't care. This is a cold world. It is what it is.

    Yep and to further add to your point the SEC are consistently leading all conferences in recruiting so that tells me recruits obviously don't care either.

    Hell ESPN ran a Outside the Line special on a couple of kids getting cut from LSU. Do you see their recruiting suffering? Nope.

    Screw it. Kids are selfish, no reasons programs can't be either. Programs are not here just to make sure some kids feelings don't get hurt because that kid won't hesitate to leave once they don't get that playing time.

    Kids will also play recruiting games all the way to freaking signing day to go elsewhere or flat out LIE to other coaching staffs about their intentions. I say it's about time the programs control their destiny's not some teenager.

    This post was edited by AlphaBuckeye06 on 1/6/2012 at 7:27 PM

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  • AlphaBuckeye06 said...

    Yep and to further add to your point they are consistently leading all conferences in recruiting so that tells me recruits obviously don't care either.

    Hell ESPN ran a Outside the Line special on a couple of kids getting cut from LSU. Do you see their recruiting suffering? Nope.

    Screw it. Kids are selfish, no reasons programs can't be either.

    That is one thing I've noticed also. Their recruiting is not being hurt by it. The players know if they don't cut it then they're out. The talent keeps coming with no end in sight.

    I will say this. My hat is off to Urban for not oversigning in that conference and still win two NC's. He is rare one for pulling it off, but the pressure to do it and stay competitive might have cost him his health in the process.

    buckinmedina

  • I sorta agree with Alpha here. The school should be able to look out for themselves as well. I mean a lot of what goes into oversigning is wrong BUT there needs to be a universally enforced system that makes it a level playing field for all. The SEC has had a clear on field advantage by practicing oversigning. At this point I feel that OSU should lean more toward oversigning if its not illegal and thats what it's going to take to level the playing field.

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  • AlphaBuckeye06 said...

    Yep and to further add to your point the SEC are consistently leading all conferences in recruiting so that tells me recruits obviously don't care either.

    Hell ESPN ran a Outside the Line special on a couple of kids getting cut from LSU. Do you see their recruiting suffering? Nope.

    Screw it. Kids are selfish, no reasons programs can't be either. Programs are not here just to make sure some kids feelings don't get hurt because that kid won't hesitate to leave once they don't get that playing time.

    Kids will also play recruiting games all the way to freaking signing day to go elsewhere or flat out LIE to other coaching staffs about their intentions. I say it's about time the programs control their destiny's not some teenager.

    You're ignoring the biggest factor on why this practice SUCKS, and the NCAA should have stepped in long ago if they had any balls. The kids may leave schools, but they have rules that manage how they do it. Like sitting out a year if transferring to another D1 school, and even to the point that the school has to give permission in certain cases. And rules that you can not leave for the NFL until after your junior year. Rules that ONLY apply to the athlete.

    There are NO RULES on how the school has to treat the athletes. THERE is the big problem. They can do whatever they want, including telling the kid "sorry, he has no scholarship" until when he actually shows up in the fall to start school. Disgraceful that they can get him to sign, make a one-way BINDING commitment in February, then string him along so he couldn't get a spot on a roster with another really good school before school starts in the fall. This is what is disgraceful about the practice.

    This post was edited by needmorebucks on 1/6/2012 at 7:48 PM

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  • We have a local case in point on oversigning.

    Anyone know anything about Ryan Kelly's status with the Tide? They have 26 for 2012 already

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  • needmorebucks said...

    You're ignoring the biggest factor on why this practice SUCKS, and the NCAA should have stepped in long ago if they had any balls. The kids may leave schools, but they have rules that manage how they do it. Like sitting out a year if transferring to another D1 school, and even to the point that the school has to give permission in certain cases. And rules that you can not leave for the NFL until after your junior year. Rules that ONLY apply to the athlete.

    There are NO RULES on how the school has to treat the athletes. THERE is the big problem. They can do whatever they want, including telling the kid "sorry, he has no scholarship" until when he actually shows up in the fall to start school. Disgraceful that they can get him to sign, make a one-way BINDING commitment in February, then string him along so he couldn't get a spot on a roster with another really good school before school starts in the fall. This is what is disgraceful about the practice.

    The three year rule is a NFL rule not a college rule.

    Ok what about kids in recruiting? Tell me how is it fair that these kids play these recruiting games like waiting all the way to signing day to only go elsewhere and the schools left holding a scholly is now screwed? Where as If the kid doesn't take a WHOLE TWO YEARS to make a decision other programs don't have to worry about getting left at the alter?

    What about guys who commit to you ONLY to go elsewhere before signing day and screw you outta other kids because you thought you had their commitment? Remember Roy Roundtree was a commitment to Purdue his whole senior year season and then at the LAST min he flipped to scUM. How was that fair to Purdue?

    Face it, players use programs and now the SEC is using players.

    This post was edited by AlphaBuckeye06 on 1/6/2012 at 7:58 PM

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  • I'm tired of the SEC teams allowing themselves to fix recruiting mistakes. Nothing more nothing less. They would not be better than anyone else in college football, because all coaches miss on recruits and live with it for four years.

    This post was edited by buckinmedina on 1/6/2012 at 8:06 PM

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  • And they certainly would not have reeled off 6 straight NC's.

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  • Who do I complain to about people complaining about oversigning?

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  • AlphaBuckeye06 said...

    But why? If I'm the SEC I'm making the argument that the b10 should adapt to our rules. It can go both ways. B10 choose not to do it, it's not like the NCAA is saying one conference can and the others cannot.

    Like I said, people get caught up with the meaningless mythical word "integrity" which isn't getting you anywhere but a losers attitude and loser/second place quotes like "well at least we don't oversign" while the SEC is celebrating growth, popularity and BCS titles.

    I personally don't see anything wrong with over signing. Not one bit

    I actually do not disagree with you.

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