Online Now 3894

The Front Row

The place to discuss inside information, the latest rumors and scoop on the Buckeyes

On this Board 1427
Record: 6110 (2/14/2012)

Online now 3594
Record: 10904 (2/4/2012)

Boards ▾

The Front Row

The place to discuss inside information, the latest rumors and scoop on the Buckeyes

Around the 'Shoe

Anything and everything football related that has to do with your Buckeyes

The Best Damn Recruiting Board

If it's football recruiting, OSU-style, it's cussed and discussed here

Bucknutin' But Net

Talk a little Buckeye basketball with your fellow Ohio State hoopsters

The Bucknuts Hot Spot

The place to be for topics too hot for any place else

The Buckeye Babe Thread

Share your favorite pix, a special lady in your life or someone else's life

Reply

Why I am disappointed in Luke...

  • Not really deserving of a new thread, but I am Diddy.

    I am not as disappointed in the record as much as the following.
    And I was one of the first and only who predicted a 7-4, 8-4 type season.I knew he was dealt a tough hand.

    1) His complete distancing from the offense. He is the HC and as a longtime coach should know what it is about this offense that makes it suck and how to make it suck less like installing some form of a short passing game.

    2)Deferring to Bollman or worse yet Sis on key personell decisions. See Bowersox & Underwood.

    3)Erosion of key Tressel tennants - attention to detail, discipline, tackling. I get the feeling he thinks some of the things Tressel did, he felt were stupid. The things Tressel did to instill team, sense of pride, etc. Luke is a child of Coops in that regard.Players yapping, flipping the ball on the ground, block O, standing in the back during Carmen Ohio, No captains.

    4) Complete lack of emotion and interaction with the players on game day. This is shocking to me. I would of thought he would of been the opposite.

    5)the sense I get that the players have tuned him and his staff out like a substitute teacher. I don't get the sense they are playing for him to keep the gig. The reports of the sideline this week were galling. This reminds me of a scene from the cooper years.

    6) I would of expected this team, like all Tressel teams to get better as the year wore on, especially given the youth. Tressel's November record was incredible.
    This team is getting worse. It looks to me like they will be 1 for November with a big nailbiting win v IU.

    In summary it just proves that he wasn't yet ready for this gig at this time.
    He was dealt a crap sandwich but has done nothing to distinquish himself.

    I don't get the sense he is yet a HC material. I would be surprised if he has no idea and no plan for a new ofrfensive staff.

    signature image

    cdiddy70

  • cdiddy70 said...

    Not really deserving of a new thread, but I am Diddy.

    I am not as disappointed in the record as much as the following. And I was one of the first and only who predicted a 7-4, 8-4 type season.I knew he was dealt a tough hand.

    1) His complete distancing from the offense. He is the HC and as a longtime coach should know what it is about this offense that makes it suck and how to make it suck less like installing some form of a short passing game.

    2)Deferring to Bollman or worse yet Sis on key personell decisions. See Bowersox & Underwood.

    3)Erosion of key Tressel tennants - attention to detail, discipline, tackling. I get the feeling he thinks some of the things Tressel did, he felt were stupid. The things Tressel did to instill team, sense of pride, etc. Luke is a child of Coops in that regard.Players yapping, flipping the ball on the ground, block O, standing in the back during Carmen Ohio, No captains.

    4) Complete lack of emotion and interaction with the players on game day. This is shocking to me. I would of thought he would of been the opposite.

    5)the sense I get that the players have tuned him and his staff out like a substitute teacher. I don't get the sense they are playing for him to keep the gig. The reports of the sideline this week were galling. This reminds me of a scene from the cooper years.

    6) I would of expected this team, like all Tressel teams to get better as the year wore on, especially given the youth. Tressel's November record was incredible. This team is getting worse. It looks to me like they will be 1 for November with a big nailbiting win v IU.

    In summary it just proves that he wasn't yet ready for this gig at this time. He was dealt a crap sandwich but has done nothing to distinquish himself.

    I don't get the sense he is yet a HC material. I would be surprised if he has no idea and no plan for a new ofrfensive staff.

    Some parallels to the Cooper era, which you elude to have some merit.
    I was told this team did less tackling in hitting in practices early on, per Vrabel to save players from injuries and keep them fresh. Tressel did more contact. Just MO, I think that correlates to the poor tackling we see a lot.
    In conclusion, Fickell knows he is gone, he can go one of two directions. Stay the course with that buffoon Bollman calling the plays or:
    Take the gloves off and go down fighting. Posey is back, start him and get him at least 8 touches a games, he opens other areas up.
    Miller excels in the shot gun and pistol, go there exclusively. Scrap the iso and Boom with 30 carries crap.
    If Shugarts, Philly Brown are back with Posey, go shot gun like Nebraska with Wisconsin pistol mixed in.
    Throw out of the shot gun and make sure Posey, Stoney, Hall and Brown are targeted for at least 20 to 23 catches between them in shorter and easier routes. Then run Herron, Hall and Miller out of the pistol and zone read.
    Heacock, you will be facing in UofM and PSU two teams with mediocre QB's passing and mediocre WR's, on third and long press and bump cover and make mediocre QB to WR's beat you with press coverage, not giving up 10 yards in soft back pedaling zone coverages. Blitz more.
    Do that and Fickell can close 8-4 and help himself land a better coaching gig for 2012. He has nothing to lose at this point, go down swinging and not listening to Bollman.

    ohiost83 ●

  • cdiddy70 said...

    Not really deserving of a new thread, but I am Diddy.

    I am not as disappointed in the record as much as the following. And I was one of the first and only who predicted a 7-4, 8-4 type season.I knew he was dealt a tough hand.

    1) His complete distancing from the offense. He is the HC and as a longtime coach should know what it is about this offense that makes it suck and how to make it suck less like installing some form of a short passing game.

    2)Deferring to Bollman or worse yet Sis on key personell decisions. See Bowersox & Underwood.

    3)Erosion of key Tressel tennants - attention to detail, discipline, tackling. I get the feeling he thinks some of the things Tressel did, he felt were stupid. The things Tressel did to instill team, sense of pride, etc. Luke is a child of Coops in that regard.Players yapping, flipping the ball on the ground, block O, standing in the back during Carmen Ohio, No captains.

    4) Complete lack of emotion and interaction with the players on game day. This is shocking to me. I would of thought he would of been the opposite.

    5)the sense I get that the players have tuned him and his staff out like a substitute teacher. I don't get the sense they are playing for him to keep the gig. The reports of the sideline this week were galling. This reminds me of a scene from the cooper years.

    6) I would of expected this team, like all Tressel teams to get better as the year wore on, especially given the youth. Tressel's November record was incredible. This team is getting worse. It looks to me like they will be 1 for November with a big nailbiting win v IU.

    In summary it just proves that he wasn't yet ready for this gig at this time. He was dealt a crap sandwich but has done nothing to distinquish himself.

    I don't get the sense he is yet a HC material. I would be surprised if he has no idea and no plan for a new ofrfensive staff.

    While I will always believe Luke to be a great Buckeye......and on and on:

    I find nothing to disagree with in your post, Diddy. Not a word.

    He still looks and acts like a DC on the sidelines....for reasons I don't know especially since Heacock is already on the sidelines to coach the Defense.

    Luke needs to be with the offense, even if it is just to keep them amped and give moral support. He looks like a guy who wishes the season were over and go look for houses in East Lansing and work for Dantonio. Okay...I kid on that....but only just a little.

    Nutinpa

  • Assuming Luke doesn't get the job, he will be well situated for another head coaching job
    He has shown that he's capable, and he's had moments where he's done a great job leading. But this is a top 5 job, and he's not a top 5 coach. He'll get a great opportunity somewhere else...Maybe we should appreciate the job Luke has done under trying circumstances..Luke deserves respect.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by gessig on 11/14/2011 at 11:22 AM

    Playsignature image signature image

    gessig ●

  • Great post Diddy. My biggest problem this year with Luke has always been that he is coaching this team like he has to be the spokesperson for the leftover staff of Tressel's and is only taking leadership because someone has to and he was assigned to do it (if that makes sense). I don't care if you have the interim tag, this is your chance at your dream job. Take the bull by the horns and coach it like you have always been in charge. For example, when he stated earlier in the year that the rotation between Bauserman and Braxton was up to Bollman and the offensive coaches. What kind of response is that for a head coach? Just like you said Diddy about distancing himself from the offense, I feel like he wants all coached to have equal responsibility when it can't work that way.

    Buckeye_Doug

  • Just understanding that our Iformatioin scheme is terrible. Easily recognized plays wiht terrible fundamentals by Miller from executing hand offs to his drop bakc. It is clear as day that he is a shotgun quarterback. This is strictly on Sis for not teaching him the proper drop back. Our I formation running game lacks timing. Watch from the snap to the lineman moving. The right side will move and split second later there goes the left side. It looks like we false start every time. I laugh at the posters who say we have elements of a "pro" offense. Urban Meyer has more elements. Watch when an NFL team is in the I. You cannot tell if they are going to pass or not. Watch our FB and TB cheap up when its a pass to get to the protectioin quicker. Its a F*ckin joke that i cannot watch anymore. Mind you i was critical from day 1 of tressel and his offensive gameplans but they won. Now i cannot watch this crap any longer. the lack of fundamentals is apalling. I know for a fact that they tell miller who to throw to in the huddle. That crossing route where he missed fields is an easy read. You knew he was going to clear the backers by the flow of the play. I saw this on the damned TV yet miller was looking at the guy he was going to throw to the whole time. Noway a guy as talented as miller makes that bad of a read. I dont buy it. Its staff pre determining who he is throwing to. The coverage should dictate your reads not the damn play. This isnt peewee.

    johnwic11

  • gessig said...

    Assuming Luke doesn't get the job, he will be well situated for another head coaching job He has shown that he's capable, and he's had moments where he's done a great job leading. But this is a top 5 job, and he's not a top 5 coach. He'll get a great opportunity somewhere else...Maybe we should appreciate the job Luke has done under trying circumstances.

    What specifically has he done to show you he's capable? They've played one complete game against a real opponent all year and that was at IL...and they won that game completing one pass and attempting four. They played two and a half quarters against Nebraska and fell apart and played three quarters against Wisconsin before falling apart until Hall and Braxton bailed them out. Although I vehemently disagree with it, I can somewhat understand his "hands off" approach to the offense just due to the personalities involved (Bollman, Doc Tressel, etc.) But the defensive struggles and collapses are just inexcusable. In addition to Nebraska and Wisconsin, they also got schooled on defense by Toledo, IU, and Purdue by playing SOFT. The defensive scheme (which he is intimately involved with) is a joke right now. We all love Vrabel but even that is a questionable hire at this point.

    The Bauserman decision was a disaster. As the head coach, he had to have input on that, as uncomfortable as it may have been. If he didn't then I don't need to say any more.

    They just lost to a team who lost to Rice earlier this year. Think about that for a second. They also struggled last week AT HOME to a team that lost to Ball State and whose only win is against an FCS team. He got outcoached by Kevin Wilson, who is also a first year and first time head coach.

    I appreciate Fickell for being a true Buckeye and for trying to make the best of this truly awful situation. But speaking objectively, I wouldn't hire him right now to be a head coach of an FCS program. He's a great recruiter and a good defensive mind (most of the time.) He's not HC material at this time, especially at OSU. Quite frankly, he might not ever be.

    This post was edited by flyer88 on 11/14/2011 at 11:40 AM

    flyer88

  • I don't think Luke has the TYPE A personality that is needed for this job... that is really the main downfall to this season. Had luke taken control and made decisions, like starting Miller from day one over Bauserman, this season would have went differently. Oh well, 3 more games and then we can move on in a different more positive direction. I wish him luck though in his future coaching endeavors.

    fritz_jones

  • gessig said...

    Assuming Luke doesn't get the job, he will be well situated for another head coaching job
    He has shown that he's capable, and he's had moments where he's done a great job leading. But this is a top 5 job, and he's not a top 5 coach. He'll get a great opportunity somewhere else...Maybe we should appreciate the job Luke has done under trying circumstances..Luke deserves respect.

    We don't have to assume he is not getting the Job.. He is not getting the job. I think it is also very questionable as to him getting a head coach gig anywhere next yr

    Sam1

  • 3)Erosion of key Tressel tennants - flipping the ball on the ground, .

    this drives me crazy

    signature image signature image signature image

    rkbuck

  • gessig said...

    Assuming Luke doesn't get the job, he will be well situated for another head coaching job He has shown that he's capable, and he's had moments where he's done a great job leading. But this is a top 5 job, and he's not a top 5 coach. He'll get a great opportunity somewhere else...Maybe we should appreciate the job Luke has done under trying circumstances..Luke deserves respect.

    I disagree. Just exactly what has he done a good job in? The defense, which is his speciality has played soft and given up leads in pretty much every meaningful game. Special teans??, the offense???........even his press conferences are boring. We all thought Tresell said nothing; Luke tops that. So sorry, I don't think he is well situated for another HC job. In fact, I would be surprised if he gets any interest for a HC gig other than mabe Div II or III.

    ziggie123

  • cdiddy70 said...

    Not really deserving of a new thread, but I am Diddy.

    I am not as disappointed in the record as much as the following. And I was one of the first and only who predicted a 7-4, 8-4 type season.I knew he was dealt a tough hand.

    1) His complete distancing from the offense. He is the HC and as a longtime coach should know what it is about this offense that makes it suck and how to make it suck less like installing some form of a short passing game.

    2)Deferring to Bollman or worse yet Sis on key personell decisions. See Bowersox & Underwood.

    3)Erosion of key Tressel tennants - attention to detail, discipline, tackling. I get the feeling he thinks some of the things Tressel did, he felt were stupid. The things Tressel did to instill team, sense of pride, etc. Luke is a child of Coops in that regard.Players yapping, flipping the ball on the ground, block O, standing in the back during Carmen Ohio, No captains.

    4) Complete lack of emotion and interaction with the players on game day. This is shocking to me. I would of thought he would of been the opposite.

    5)the sense I get that the players have tuned him and his staff out like a substitute teacher. I don't get the sense they are playing for him to keep the gig. The reports of the sideline this week were galling. This reminds me of a scene from the cooper years.

    6) I would of expected this team, like all Tressel teams to get better as the year wore on, especially given the youth. Tressel's November record was incredible. This team is getting worse. It looks to me like they will be 1 for November with a big nailbiting win v IU.

    In summary it just proves that he wasn't yet ready for this gig at this time. He was dealt a crap sandwich but has done nothing to distinquish himself.

    I don't get the sense he is yet a HC material. I would be surprised if he has no idea and no plan for a new ofrfensive staff.

    diddy---you said it all and said it perfectly. i want luke to succeed but he looks so out of place!!!

    there is no reason that he should not have made an imprint on this offense, BUT HE DIDN'T!!!

    we aren't very good but we still could have won this thing!!

    kcbuck

  • Sam1 said...

    We don't have to assume he is not getting the Job.. He is not getting the job. I think it is also very questionable as to him getting a head coach gig anywhere next yr

    sorry..but i don't think he is head coaching material. where is the fire that we all thought he would add? he never engages himself into any facet of the game and it shows. i don't even see vrabel getting them fired up. milk-toast is what we have..except for shazier!!!

    kcbuck

  • gessig said...

    Assuming Luke doesn't get the job, he will be well situated for another head coaching job He has shown that he's capable, and he's had moments where he's done a great job leading. But this is a top 5 job, and he's not a top 5 coach. He'll get a great opportunity somewhere else...Maybe we should appreciate the job Luke has done under trying circumstances..Luke deserves respect.

    Personally, I think he has trashed his shot a decent (MAC level) HC job this year. You don't think that these ADs don't know how much talent he has squandered this year and how much his team has underperformed? I didn't think this was a 12-1 team or even an 11-2 team, but this team is about 100000000X better than Indiana, but you couldn't tell by watching the game. He has done an average to BA job, and I think he will go back to coordinating after this season for a couple of years to wash this season's stink off of his hands.

    Crazynut ●

  • This post is for members of Bucknuts only. Join now! 7-Day Free Trial
    signature image signature image

    The closest that I will ever get to a Buckeye ring or Gold Pants. Saw it sold on e-bay April 29, 2011 for $8500.

    simpsonlegal

  • This post is for members of Bucknuts only. Join now! 7-Day Free Trial
    signature image

    cdiddy70

  • I agree with most of what you said.

    Also, when Tressel left Fickell had lost the brains behind the offense. He was in desperate need of an offensive coach. You lose a coach on offense..then you HIRE a coach on offense!! It isnt brain surgery. Granted it was late, but this is Ohio State and somebody of merit could have been obtained to fill the void. Instead he uses the vacancy to pick up a defensive coach, his ol buddy Vrabel. Yes it was popular etc etc b/c of Vrabel's pro noteriety etc, but it was a huge blunder to hire a coach on the WRONG side of the ball versus what was needed.

    TressRocks

  • This post is for members of Bucknuts only. Join now! 7-Day Free Trial

    Jackson2340

  • gessig said...

    Assuming Luke doesn't get the job, he will be well situated for another head coaching job He has shown that he's capable, and he's had moments where he's done a great job leading. But this is a top 5 job, and he's not a top 5 coach. He'll get a great opportunity somewhere else...Maybe we should appreciate the job Luke has done under trying circumstances..Luke deserves respect.

    Show some respect for the fact that he is a buckeye, that is about it. This guy was supposed to the guy who would light a fire under your ass if you were being lazy or missed a tackle. I haven't seen him do anything but chew gum on the sidelines this year. Its SAD.

    signature image signature image signature image

    Downtown ●

  • Diddy,

    What reports from the sideline are you referring to? I missed those reports. Can you give me some more detail. Thanks!

    bones10

  • bones,

    In high level meeting.

    It was a post by "annabuck".

    Can one of my underlings reference it,

    Kind Regards.

    signature image

    cdiddy70

  • cdiddy70 said...

    Not really deserving of a new thread, but I am Diddy.

    I am not as disappointed in the record as much as the following. And I was one of the first and only who predicted a 7-4, 8-4 type season.I knew he was dealt a tough hand.

    1) His complete distancing from the offense. He is the HC and as a longtime coach should know what it is about this offense that makes it suck and how to make it suck less like installing some form of a short passing game.

    2)Deferring to Bollman or worse yet Sis on key personell decisions. See Bowersox & Underwood.

    3)Erosion of key Tressel tennants - attention to detail, discipline, tackling. I get the feeling he thinks some of the things Tressel did, he felt were stupid. The things Tressel did to instill team, sense of pride, etc. Luke is a child of Coops in that regard.Players yapping, flipping the ball on the ground, block O, standing in the back during Carmen Ohio, No captains.

    4) Complete lack of emotion and interaction with the players on game day. This is shocking to me. I would of thought he would of been the opposite.

    5)the sense I get that the players have tuned him and his staff out like a substitute teacher. I don't get the sense they are playing for him to keep the gig. The reports of the sideline this week were galling. This reminds me of a scene from the cooper years.

    6) I would of expected this team, like all Tressel teams to get better as the year wore on, especially given the youth. Tressel's November record was incredible. This team is getting worse. It looks to me like they will be 1 for November with a big nailbiting win v IU.

    In summary it just proves that he wasn't yet ready for this gig at this time. He was dealt a crap sandwich but has done nothing to distinquish himself.

    I don't get the sense he is yet a HC material. I would be surprised if he has no idea and no plan for a new ofrfensive staff.

    Tressel also had the record I believe for consecutive wins against non-ranked opponents..I think it was like in the mid-twenties at one point. In other words, he got the team in the right frame of mind and "UP" for lesser opponents. Luke has failed to get the team up TWO WEEKS IN A ROW!! That NEVER happened under Tressel.

    TressRocks

  • I am sure Luke is a nice guy and a "great Buckeye" but that does not translate to being a good head coach.

    He shows no fire and not much interaction with his players or even his assistants.Not sure exactly what he is doing on the sidelines.

    Tressel was very contained but you knew there was a keen intellect and a lot of fire within.I just do not see that in Fickell.

    AnnaBuck's game day feedback was very disheartening but not really a surprise.Cooper used to roam the sidelines with a no clue look and Fickell has the same feel about him.The guy does not appear to be a strong leader.All that said I wish the guy the best.He was dealt a very tough hand.

    However,10 long years as an assistant coach tells you a lot.He and all the rest of the coaching staff need to move on.I wish them all the very best just not in Columbus.

  • "Tressel also had the record I believe for consecutive wins against non-ranked opponents..I think it was like in the mid-twenties at one point"

    It was in the 60's, 4 times more then the next best.

    On the rare occasions we lost it was to good teams. BCS Bowl teams. Period.

    In 11 years he never lost to a team as sh*tty as PU.

    Cue up the Bobby Knight rant about Purdue.

    signature image

    cdiddy70

  • annabuck's post from after Saturday's game at Purdue:

    Just got home from West Lafayette. We sat right behind the Buckeye bench on the 35 yard lline. Close enough to listen to the coaches and players interact. Some thoughts.

    1.This team is rudderless. From my perspective, the coaches have absolutely lost this team There is no desire or sense of urgency from anyone. No heart and just absolutely going through the motions.

    2. Coach Peterson appears to have no respect based on how we saw the offensive line players interact with him. Each 3 and out, he would come over and talk to Brewster while the rest of them just sat there.

    3. Stoney just looks like he could care less. There were people yelling at him trying to fire him up and he just sat there.

    4. Not impressed with Boom. Pretty lame a couple of times as he yelled things at the linemen loudly dropping the f-bomb. They ignored him. Then, some dude right behind us stands up and yells "Boom, know any good tatoo joints you can refer me to? I am ready to get inked up! Boom turns around and stares the guy down, as several players looked back as well. Boom tried to laugh it off and said "Yeah man, I know where a lot of them are." and tried to laugh it off. He was going up to other players and saying "That doesn't bother me" when obviously it did.

    5. Fragel is a great kid, quietly trying to rally the troops. At one point Peterson came over to talk to the offense and a guy yells, Hey Peterson, have you ever thought to throw the ball to the tight ends?" Stoney and Fragel both did not turn around but just shook their heads.

    6. Underwood was just absolutely horrible. Kid had no business being out there. When they yanked him, he just sat there and truly acted as if he didn't care. Brewster was pissed at him as he had just given up a sack and yelled at him and Underwood again acted like he was sitting in the library staring out the window.

    7. Sweat got knocked absolutely silly. Was wobbling around like he was on queer street. That is why we saw Shazier. Outside of roughing the passer, that kid played great.

    8, Braxton is just so laid back. When he is sitting on the bench, it is like he is sitting in a barkolounger. However, the kid played his ass off. He just does not have enough around him to help make up for his inexperience. A real shame when he overthrew the ball twice for touchdowns in the same series. The first one, he was running for his life while he threw on the run.

    9. The only passion I saw came from the defense, and it wasn't much. Simon just plays hard. Too many receivers running free without enough pass rush to stop the completions.

    10. Fickel never once came over and talked to the offense. Not one time. That is just amazing to me. He has a look of resognation on his face. It was hard to watch.

    11. I saw it on another thread and I think it is a good analogy. This team needs a total enima. I have never seen such a disinterested group of players and coaches wearing our beloved scarlet and grey. We have a long way to go to be relevant again. Purdue earned this win. They out hustled and out played us. Simple as that.

    This post was edited by saludabuck on 11/14/2011 at 4:42 PM

    saludabuck

Ohio State
247Sports
Features
Resources
Connect

247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports