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Writer: OSU Duped Ncaa into allowing Tat-5 to play in SugarBowl

  • The piece fails to recognize the sugar bowl's lobbying for the players to play, among others lobbying efforts, but OSU comes into this story today because South Carolina recently hired Chris Rogers - who held a notable position within OSU's compliance office during the investigation.
    This story questions his hiring at SCarolina because of his role in OSU duping the ncaa into giving the University lenient punishment, along with the Sugar Bowl use of the tat-5.
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    Curious Choice for Compliance Lead
    by Scott Hood / GamecockCentral.com Staff Writer
    February 7, 2012

    I don't know Chris Rogers.

    So, I can't truthfully attest to his personal character, integrity, work ethic or professionalism.

    Still, his hiring Tuesday as the new Associate Athletics Director for Compliance by South Carolina is curious at best, and likely will be greeted with a fair amount of skepticism and a few raised eyebrows.

    Not because of who Rogers is, mind you, but because of where he came from - Ohio State.

    If you've been awake, you know the last 12 months have been a nightmare for the loved or loathed (depending on your perspective) Buckeyes football program. Last spring, former head football coach Jim Tressel was forced to resign in disgrace amid a cash-for-tattoos scandal at the school involving quarterback Terrelle Pryor and other players.

    The investigation revealed Ohio State duped the NCAA into allowing five otherwise ineligible players - including Pryor - to play in the 2011 Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. TV, of course, played an integral role as well in the deception, but most of the blame falls on Ohio State.

    Ohio State was able to sidestep serious sanctions (they will serve a one year bowl ban in 2012 and lose a few scholarships, among other mildly severe penalties) from the NCAA because they were able to successfully pin most of the blame for the violations on Tressel, labeling him a 'rogue coach.'

    Note: Tressel was recently named the University of Akron's new vice president of strategic engagement, a position that will pay him $200,000 per year, proving yet again that crime does pay.

    However, many people believe a conspiracy of silence extending as far as school president G. Gordon Gee existed within the Ohio State community. Clearly, winning trumped all in Columbus, especially when it came to the school's mind-numbing obsession about beating the SEC in football.

    Whether or not this perceived conspiracy reached into the Ohio State compliance office is unknown. Certainly, no amount of evidence has been presented proving it did.

    Beau Bishop, a Columbus TV reporter, told 107.5 FM The Game late Tuesday afternoon that the Ohio State compliance department essentially saved the school from harsher penalties, awarding them an A-minus for their work on the case.

    "What you had here was a football coach who failed to report information to anybody," Bishop said. "Compliance is based on information, and if they don't get the information it's hard for them to act on it. The job Ohio State compliance did is reflected on the way the NCAA treated Ohio State. Most people outside the state of Ohio would characterize the way the NCAA hit Ohio State was pretty lenient.

    "Most of the credit for that has been given to Ohio State's compliance. They were the ones responsible for that. The fact they're looking at the loss of a few scholarships over a few years and one-year bowl ban considering everything that happened here is a credit to the compliance staff. The Ohio State staff worked well with the NCAA."

    Bishop's words obviously offer a USC fan comfort with the hire. Rogers appears to know what he is doing when it comes to dealing directly with the NCAA.

    Even though the Ohio State might have done a magnificent job representing the school in front of the NCAA, South Carolina has their own problems with the organization governing collegiate athletics. School officials, including Rogers, are scheduled to appear in front of the Infractions Committee on Feb. 17-18 in Los Angeles, CA concerning the Notice of Allegations involving the Whitney Hotel and the Student-Athlete Mentoring (SAM) Foundation based in Delaware.

    Sure, Rogers may have done a tremendous job at Ohio State, but the concept of guilt by association remains prevalent in our culture.

    According to the staff directory posted on Ohio State's athletics website, Rogers was second or third in command within the compliance office. Most importantly, he was the "primary compliance contact" (USC's phrase) for the Ohio State football program.

    At this point in time, should USC hire someone from a school coming off one of the most publicized infraction cases in recent memory in which it was established the head football coach blatantly lied to the NCAA?

    Reading between the lines, it appears one of the main reasons Rogers has been hired by USC is to help steer the Gamecocks through the hurricane of the ongoing NCAA infractions process. Beyond that? Who knows.

    These words by Eric Hyman in the press release announcing Rogers' hire offer a clue for a reason behind the move: "(Rogers) certainly understands the NCAA's expectations for a top-level compliance operation. Having earned both a law and masters degree, he has the skills and acumen to ensure a successful compliance operation. . ."

    Unfortunately, when you think about complying with NCAA rules, Ohio State isn't the first school that comes to mind. Did Rogers leave Columbus voluntarily or was he gently pushed out the door?

    He did a good job neutralizing the NCAA as far as Ohio State is concerned when trouble arose. How will he perform his job in keeping USC out of trouble in the first place?

    His predecessor did a less than stellar job in that regard since the USC compliance office was targeted by the NCAA as the source of some of the problems that cropped up with the Whitney and SAM foundation.

    There is always a connection when it comes to these type of jobs, and Rogers's chances of landing the position were unquestionably boosted by his friendship with Judy Van Horn, USC Senior Associate Athletics Director and a former high-ranking athletic department official at Michigan.

    In the same press release, Van Horn described Rogers as "highly recommended" and "well respected throughout the Big Ten" and was chosen following a "national search and doing an extensive review of the candidates."

    Surely, the quotes from Hyman and Van Horn in the release anticipate concerns from Gamecock Nation regarding the timing of the hire and based on where he is coming from.

    In the end, maybe Hyman and Van Horn are correct and Rogers was the best candidate for the job because of his experience dealing with the NCAA at Ohio State.

    Skeptics, though, will always be lurking.

    http://southcarolina.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328744

    gessig

  • gessig said...

    The piece fails to recognize the sugar bowl's lobbying for the players to play, among others lobbying efforts, but OSU comes into this story today because South Carolina recently hired Chris Rogers - who held a notable position within OSU's compliance office during the investigation. This story questions his hiring at SCarolina because of his role in OSU duping the ncaa into giving the University lenient punishment, along with the Sugar Bowl use of the tat-5. - - Curious Choice for Compliance Lead by Scott Hood / GamecockCentral.com Staff Writer February 7, 2012

    I don't know Chris Rogers.

    So, I can't truthfully attest to his personal character, integrity, work ethic or professionalism.

    Still, his hiring Tuesday as the new Associate Athletics Director for Compliance by South Carolina is curious at best, and likely will be greeted with a fair amount of skepticism and a few raised eyebrows.

    Not because of who Rogers is, mind you, but because of where he came from - Ohio State.

    If you've been awake, you know the last 12 months have been a nightmare for the loved or loathed (depending on your perspective) Buckeyes football program. Last spring, former head football coach Jim Tressel was forced to resign in disgrace amid a cash-for-tattoos scandal at the school involving quarterback Terrelle Pryor and other players.

    The investigation revealed Ohio State duped the NCAA into allowing five otherwise ineligible players - including Pryor - to play in the 2011 Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. TV, of course, played an integral role as well in the deception, but most of the blame falls on Ohio State.

    Ohio State was able to sidestep serious sanctions (they will serve a one year bowl ban in 2012 and lose a few scholarships, among other mildly severe penalties) from the NCAA because they were able to successfully pin most of the blame for the violations on Tressel, labeling him a 'rogue coach.'

    Note: Tressel was recently named the University of Akron's new vice president of strategic engagement, a position that will pay him $200,000 per year, proving yet again that crime does pay.

    However, many people believe a conspiracy of silence extending as far as school president G. Gordon Gee existed within the Ohio State community. Clearly, winning trumped all in Columbus, especially when it came to the school's mind-numbing obsession about beating the SEC in football.

    Whether or not this perceived conspiracy reached into the Ohio State compliance office is unknown. Certainly, no amount of evidence has been presented proving it did.

    Beau Bishop, a Columbus TV reporter, told 107.5 FM The Game late Tuesday afternoon that the Ohio State compliance department essentially saved the school from harsher penalties, awarding them an A-minus for their work on the case.

    "What you had here was a football coach who failed to report information to anybody," Bishop said. "Compliance is based on information, and if they don't get the information it's hard for them to act on it. The job Ohio State compliance did is reflected on the way the NCAA treated Ohio State. Most people outside the state of Ohio would characterize the way the NCAA hit Ohio State was pretty lenient.

    "Most of the credit for that has been given to Ohio State's compliance. They were the ones responsible for that. The fact they're looking at the loss of a few scholarships over a few years and one-year bowl ban considering everything that happened here is a credit to the compliance staff. The Ohio State staff worked well with the NCAA."

    Bishop's words obviously offer a USC fan comfort with the hire. Rogers appears to know what he is doing when it comes to dealing directly with the NCAA.

    Even though the Ohio State might have done a magnificent job representing the school in front of the NCAA, South Carolina has their own problems with the organization governing collegiate athletics. School officials, including Rogers, are scheduled to appear in front of the Infractions Committee on Feb. 17-18 in Los Angeles, CA concerning the Notice of Allegations involving the Whitney Hotel and the Student-Athlete Mentoring (SAM) Foundation based in Delaware.

    Sure, Rogers may have done a tremendous job at Ohio State, but the concept of guilt by association remains prevalent in our culture.

    According to the staff directory posted on Ohio State's athletics website, Rogers was second or third in command within the compliance office. Most importantly, he was the "primary compliance contact" (USC's phrase) for the Ohio State football program.

    At this point in time, should USC hire someone from a school coming off one of the most publicized infraction cases in recent memory in which it was established the head football coach blatantly lied to the NCAA?

    Reading between the lines, it appears one of the main reasons Rogers has been hired by USC is to help steer the Gamecocks through the hurricane of the ongoing NCAA infractions process. Beyond that? Who knows.

    These words by Eric Hyman in the press release announcing Rogers' hire offer a clue for a reason behind the move: "(Rogers) certainly understands the NCAA's expectations for a top-level compliance operation. Having earned both a law and masters degree, he has the skills and acumen to ensure a successful compliance operation. . ."

    Unfortunately, when you think about complying with NCAA rules, Ohio State isn't the first school that comes to mind. Did Rogers leave Columbus voluntarily or was he gently pushed out the door?

    He did a good job neutralizing the NCAA as far as Ohio State is concerned when trouble arose. How will he perform his job in keeping USC out of trouble in the first place?

    His predecessor did a less than stellar job in that regard since the USC compliance office was targeted by the NCAA as the source of some of the problems that cropped up with the Whitney and SAM foundation.

    There is always a connection when it comes to these type of jobs, and Rogers's chances of landing the position were unquestionably boosted by his friendship with Judy Van Horn, USC Senior Associate Athletics Director and a former high-ranking athletic department official at Michigan.

    In the same press release, Van Horn described Rogers as "highly recommended" and "well respected throughout the Big Ten" and was chosen following a "national search and doing an extensive review of the candidates."

    Surely, the quotes from Hyman and Van Horn in the release anticipate concerns from Gamecock Nation regarding the timing of the hire and based on where he is coming from.

    In the end, maybe Hyman and Van Horn are correct and Rogers was the best candidate for the job because of his experience dealing with the NCAA at Ohio State.

    Skeptics, though, will always be lurking.

    http://southcarolina.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328744

    No bust on you Bro, but could these asses tell a story from this century? Asked & answered, paid debt to society, etc, enough is enough. When are some of these hacks going to dig in Aabama, LSU, and see if they don't get much better, current stories.

    Damn, gets old after a while.

    GO BUCKS!

    NCbuckguy

  • Truth be told JT did lie about when he found out. Maybe if the NCAA knew JT found out earlier than he told, then they may not have let the 5 play.

    murphy66245811

  • Horseshit, OSU was locked in already to play! The NCAA or BCS wanted them to play for travel, ratings, advertisement, etc.. Same reason Meechigan and Va Tech leapfrogged more deserving BCS teams. It's all about $$$. I agree, move on, go check out Bama, Oregon and The U!

    Griffinfeb

  • Didnt read it. I could care less. That is in the past. Let this dope write what he wants. I'm living in the Meyer era now.

    Go Buckeyes!!

    NJDF

  • When the espin network and the ncaa investigate the shenanigans down south then Ill give a $hit.

    95buckeye

  • Wow, the human ability to skew a viewpoint never ceases to amaze. JT getting $200k a year compared to $4million a year - how is that showing "crime does pay"? Of course they conveniently fail to mention what he _used_ to make, that he lost his job, can't coach again, etc. They fail to mention OSUs compliance dept. found the email and self-reported it, explaining why the NCAA was 'lenient'. It appears the writer's desire to hurt someone else made him cast aspersions on his own local program - he seems fond of making others look bad, without a care about getting the facts right.

    hmmm

  • NCbuckguy said...

    No bust on you Bro, but could these asses tell a story from this century? Asked & answered, paid debt to society, etc, enough is enough. When are some of these hacks going to dig in Aabama, LSU, and see if they don't get much better, current stories.

    Damn, gets old after a while.

    GO BUCKS!

    They would write stories about bama and lsu except no one down there can read!

    davebucknut

  • What hasn't been said is that gamecock players accepted almost 50k in benefits which INCLUDED recruits!!!!! (most of that to football players)

    Our fiasco has nothin on that! We're is shitspin Espin on this one?!?!?!?!!

    This post was edited by logic247 on 2/7/2012 at 9:47 PM

    logic247

  • It has been 13 months+....can we finally let this go?

    Docmike5509

  • davebucknut said...

    They would write stories about bama and lsu except no one down there can read!

    At first I thought.. Hey, "good wit!"... but then I realized you're just stating the facts.
    biggrin

    gessig

  • OSU did not dupe anyone.

    Calling what Tressel did, a crime, is about as disengenuous as calling the originator of the article a writer.

    They trade autographs.......writen names.....stuff you do in kindergarden for free.....in exchange for tattoos. There was no phvcking crime so it was NOT criminal. Lying about an act that isn't criminal doesn't make it criminal either. People lie all the phvcking time. You tell your kids there is a santa claus for christ's sake.

    Referring to anything that transpired over the course of this witch hunt as a crime only displays the inherent stupidity of the individual making the claims.

    "The only thing That Team Up North will be tasting this year is the salty tears of defeat" - UFM

    Gobucks187TTUN

  • NCbuckguy said...

    No bust on you Bro, but could these asses tell a story from this century? Asked & answered, paid debt to society, etc, enough is enough. When are some of these hacks going to dig in Aabama, LSU, and see if they don't get much better, current stories.

    Damn, gets old after a while.

    GO BUCKS!

    I don't think he hit all of the facts, but I think the column is a current one due to their employment of a former OSU compliance employee.

    shaunsimpson

  • Griffinfeb said...

    Horseshit, OSU was locked in already to play! The NCAA or BCS wanted them to play for travel, ratings, advertisement, etc.. Same reason Meechigan and Va Tech leapfrogged more deserving BCS teams. It's all about $$$. I agree, move on, go check out Bama, Oregon and The U!

    exactly what HE said ^

    trigg03

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  • Of course South Carolina would have to hire someone experienced with dealing with NCAA violations because that university experienced one far worse, in my opinion, than the one OSU did. OSU players sold their own property. SoCarolina players got direct monetary benefit from comp'ed services than was valued at $55,000. That's what the university owns up to at least. Yet where was the moral outrage at all of this? We know the answer.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7353605/south-carolina-gamecocks-not-disputing-rules-violations-cut-scholarships

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