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to playoff or not to playoff?

  • How bad ass would it be for the BCS to go to a final four type playoff that does not affect our rose bowl ties starting in 2014! Year Two UFM will have the chance to coach the first ever true...proven on the field....national championship team. Proving once and for all why they call us "THE" OSU

    truebuckeye

  • If I had to choose I would sacrifice our rose bowl ties to get a playoff.

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  • How are they going to decide who the final four are? That is another question that needs to be answered. I really don’t want a playoff but if they are going to do it they might as well make it an 8 team playoff. Take the conference champs and 2 at large and make them fight it out at on campus sites. Then have the NC game at a neutral site.

    Also I don’t like the fact that if the playoffs would have been part of CFB the last time we won the NC in 2003 we would have had to play another game after the Miami one. I don’t like the thought of that at all. How is being 13-0 not good enough to win the NC.

    Buckeyeboy45

  • I still can't believe that people are willing to sign up for LESS football just to have playoffs. When the playoff comes, the Bowls will start to disappear.

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  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    I still can't believe that people are willing to sign up for LESS football just to have playoffs. When the playoff comes, the Bowls will start to disappear.

    How so?

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  • Buckeyeboy45 said...

    How are they going to decide who the final four are? That is another question that needs to be answered. I really don’t want a playoff but if they are going to do it they might as well make it an 8 team playoff. Take the conference champs and 2 at large and make them fight it out at on campus sites. Then have the NC game at a neutral site.

    Also I don’t like the fact that if the playoffs would have been part of CFB the last time we won the NC in 2003 we would have had to play another game after the Miami one. I don’t like the thought of that at all. How is being 13-0 not good enough to win the NC.

    Almost every year there are two or three teams that are left out of the NC game that deserved a shot. Every other sport in the world has a playoff. Everything about a playoff makes sense. Why are people so stuck in certain ways, even if they are the wrong ways?

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  • Using a 4 or 8 team playoff won't dis-rupt the bowls in much way at all. Actually it will enhance the BCS bowls, assuming they stick with them. A four team playoff, there would be two semi-final games which everyone would watch. An 8 team playoff would be the same deal, but using more bowl games. I could see the bowl attendance would be down, but have you looked at bowl attendance at most of these? It's horrible anyway. It would better TV ratings than it does now.

    I just read the ESPN article where they (SEC, Big-12 commissioners) are proposing a ''Selection Committee" to determine the top 4 teams. That would be horrible. Could you imagine if they skipped over a team or two to get the #5 or #6 ranked team in the 'final 4'??

    I would say have a 4, 6, or 8 team playoff and use the BCS standings to determine the teams playing. Use the current BCS bowls or create another bowl, for a place to play them.

    If it would be a 16 team playoff, top seeded team would host the first round. How awesome would that be?

    Go Bucks!!

    whvball

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    I still can't believe that people are willing to sign up for LESS football just to have playoffs. When the playoff comes, the Bowls will start to disappear.

    Because it results in MORE games that actually mean something and LESS games that mean nothing.

    CFAbuckeye

  • Eight teamer is best. Conference champs and twoat large. Take the top four and they get home games.

    davebucknut

  • This is a fantastic debate...

    Essentially, an NCAA playoff for football would be fun to watch. Especially if our team is involved. And people are right, it would have considerably more meaning.

    However, they aren't considering everything. That would dramatically diminish the meaning of any other games. So if the other bowls remained, their meaning and impact would be minimal at best. They would be reduced to the NIT as far as equivalency.

    The NIT survives because its a tournament. Imagine instead if the NIT was a serious of independent privately funded games. Thats what would happen to the remaining bowls. So essentially, they would garner so little income and so little audience that I would predict 75% of the bowls to disappear within 5 years of an established playoff. The reality is, if its not profitable to have a bowl, the bowl won't exist.

    The focus would be on an NCAA playoff. Which, I admit, would be very profitable. I would enjoy watching it. But that change of focus WILL impact any other bowls. So we MUST anticipate that a playoff structure will eventually reduce the overall size of the postseason.

    Its a tough thing to measure. When you're OSU and you feel like you can make that tournament most years, its a no-brainer. But when you're the 100 other teams out there, this is out of the question.

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  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    I still can't believe that people are willing to sign up for LESS football just to have playoffs. When the playoff comes, the Bowls will start to disappear.

    The Bowls don't have to go anywhere. A BCS Bowl could be for the championship game and another could be for the semi-final losers. All other Bowls would remain unchanged. Just keep the current Rose Bowl participation rules in effect. Everyone is making this too complicated.

    McCague

  • McCague said...

    The Bowls don't have to go anywhere. A BCS Bowl could be for the championship game and another could be for the semi-final losers. All other Bowls would remain unchanged. Just keep the current Rose Bowl participation rules in effect. Everyone is making this too complicated.

    Thats not entirely whats being discussed. Neutral sites that are non-bowls are being discussed. Also, the B1G leadership is pushing Midwestern sites. Not only that, but many are pushing for playoff sites at the university location.

    They are pushing for a full blown playoff structured similarly to Basketball, just not the same size and scope.

    We'll see what happens. But significant change is being proposed in many different directions.

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  • playmea said...

    This is a fantastic debate...

    Essentially, an NCAA playoff for football would be fun to watch. Especially if our team is involved. And people are right, it would have considerably more meaning.

    However, they aren't considering everything. That would dramatically diminish the meaning of any other games. So if the other bowls remained, their meaning and impact would be minimal at best. They would be reduced to the NIT as far as equivalency.

    The NIT survives because its a tournament. Imagine instead if the NIT was a serious of independent privately funded games. Thats what would happen to the remaining bowls. So essentially, they would garner so little income and so little audience that I would predict 75% of the bowls to disappear within 5 years of an established playoff. The reality is, if its not profitable to have a bowl, the bowl won't exist.

    The focus would be on an NCAA playoff. Which, I admit, would be very profitable. I would enjoy watching it. But that change of focus WILL impact any other bowls. So we MUST anticipate that a playoff structure will eventually reduce the overall size of the postseason.

    Its a tough thing to measure. When you're OSU and you feel like you can make that tournament most years, its a no-brainer. But when you're the 100 other teams out there, this is out of the question.

    The only real meaning any non-BCS Championship Bowl game has is bragging rights... that isn't diminished with a playoff system.

    "Hurray, we won the Rose Bowl (...but most fans are likely to believe there are 2-6 teams better than us this year...)"

    CFAbuckeye

  • CFAbuckeye said...

    The only real meaning any non-BCS Championship Bowl game has is bragging rights... that isn't diminished with a playoff system.

    "Hurray, we won the Rose Bowl (...but most fans are likely to believe there are 2-6 teams better than us this year...)"

    I disagree and the numbers prove it... If bragging rights were the only meaning, then only fans of those teams would watch or attend. That would mean only the OSU's, Texas and ND's of the world would produce profitable bowls. Yet there are numerous bowls.

    The reality is, people watch because they believe either there is an ultimate impact or there is some emotional investment in the game. On top of "bragging rights". An NCAA playoff system would eliminate some of that. If the bowls become less profitable, the bowls disappear.

    Your post COMPLETELY ignores the overall financial impact. Despite what many believe, the bowls don't exist to service your needs. The bowls exist to generate revenue.

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  • playmea said...

    I disagree and the numbers prove it... If bragging rights were the only meaning, then only fans of those teams would watch or attend. That would mean only the OSU's, Texas and ND's of the world would produce profitable bowls. Yet there are numerous bowls.

    The reality is, people watch because they believe either there is an ultimate impact or there is some emotional investment in the game. On top of "bragging rights". An NCAA playoff system would eliminate some of that. If the bowls become less profitable, the bowls disappear.

    Your post COMPLETELY ignores the overall financial impact. Despite what many believe, the bowls don't exist to service your needs. The bowls exist to generate revenue.

    Bragging rights is what the teams and fanbases are playing for - and that's really the only 'trophy'. As I stated, compelling match ups of top programs, top players, power leagues is why I and other non-affiliated groups would continue to watch. Maybe you hate one of the teams playing and want to see them lose... maybe you're hoping a team from your conference wins...maybe you want to see if the hyped-QB from conference X that you haven't really seen is really that good. All very compelling reasons to watch, and just like currently, that is what would continue to drive ratings and produce revenue.

    If you're worried that a playoff system would be a slippery slope and lead to the elimination of ALL bowl games, then I disagee (but I don't think you're saying that). If you're suggesting some bowl games would fail because now there is a better product, then I agree. I just think it will be the 'lesser bowl games' (some of which we have seen fail under the current environment).

    But if the cost of a playoff is the Go Daddy.com Bowl, then that is a price I am willing to pay.

    [edit to say I deleted the part in my first post that stated the 'compelling reasons'. my response was getting too long so I opted for a much more concese post. So I can definitely see why you replied the way to did Playmea. Hope the above post doesn't sound unwarrantly aggressive.]

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CFAbuckeye on 4/26/2012 at 10:45 AM

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  • CFAbuckeye said...

    Bragging rights is what the teams and fanbases are playing for - and that's really the only 'trophy'. As I stated, compelling match ups of top programs, top players, power leagues is why I and other non-affiliated groups would continue to watch. Maybe you hate one of the teams playing and want to see them lose... maybe you're hoping a team from your conference wins...maybe you want to see if the hyped-QB from conference X that you haven't really seen is really that good. All very compelling reasons to watch, and just like currently, that is what would continue to drive ratings and produce revenue.

    If you're worried that a playoff system would be a slippery slope and lead to the elimination of ALL bowl games, then I disagee (but I don't think you're saying that). If you're suggesting some bowl games would fail because now there is a better product, then I agree. I just think it will be the 'lesser bowl games' (some of which we have seen fail under the current environment).

    But if the cost of a playoff is the Go Daddy.com Bowl, then that is a price I am willing to pay.

    [edit to say I deleted the part in my first post that stated the 'compelling reasons'. my response was getting too long so I opted for a much more concese post. So I can definitely see why you replied the way to did Playmea. Hope the above post doesn't sound unwarrantly aggressive.]

    I didn't think there was anything aggressive in your post. You are debating the points. I appreciate that. Its all I can ever ask for.

    I agree that bragging rights is all that they play for. Nobody is arguing that teams would refuse a bowl. I'm arguing that bowl profits will reduce.

    I am not saying ALL bowls will be eliminated. However, I think we have too many bowls as it is. And many of the existing bowls struggle already. Hence the reason why they keep changing sponsors. I am close with the Gator Bowl committee and I'm friends with board members. Its a struggle.

    My prediction in my post earlier was that 75% of the existing bowls will disappear within 5 years of a playoff system. I don't believe there is enough brand equity to sustain the diminished returns for many of these Bowls. I believe the major ones will remain in addition to the playoff. That leaves the Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, etc... But bowls like the Insight, Taxslayer.com I believe are gone. And there are too many of them as it is.

    I believe if you think that through, you will agree.

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  • Downtown said...

    How so?

    Are sponsers going to sponser the lower tier Bowls or put all their money in advertising a playoff game?Anyone who thinks that the Bowl system will survive is not being honest.

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  • McCague said...

    The Bowls don't have to go anywhere. A BCS Bowl could be for the championship game and another could be for the semi-final losers. All other Bowls would remain unchanged. Just keep the current Rose Bowl participation rules in effect. Everyone is making this too complicated.

    A Bowl game needs advertising sponsers. They are not going to continue to sponser lower tier Bowl games. People who call for a playoff simply have not thought about the fact that they are calling for less football. Those sponsers are going to sink their money into the playof games.

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  • CFAbuckeye said...

    Because it results in MORE games that actually mean something and LESS games that mean nothing.

    So you are basically a fan of playoffs MORE than you are of football and college football tradition.

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  • I think something along the lines of NFL where there's 12 teams. 5-12 play the first round while 1-4 get byes. These would all take place at the universities with the higher rankings. then 1-4 would get the next round of home games and so on. The only game held at a neutral site would be the championship game which cannot be held at any stadium where college football is already played eg. Indy.
    It's good food for thought but, I don't know if I wanna give up bowl season for anything less than 12 teams. I think that would give us enough football to satiate me.

    Yeah, I said it.

    shalvoy

  • Downtown said...

    If I had to choose I would sacrifice our rose bowl ties to get a playoff.

    So would I. I don't give a rats a$$ if BG plays San Diego St in the Rose Bowl as long as there is a playoff. A real, true legitmate playoff. None of this plus-one BS.

    Take the 8, 12 or 16 best teams in the country like every other division does and play it off. This isn't a difficult concept to figure out. It is these money hungry old bastards that are making this more difficult then it needs to be.

    FIGURE IT OUT ALREADY!

    BuckeyeSteves

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    So you are basically a fan of playoffs MORE than you are of football and college football tradition.

    I wouldn't say 'more than football'. If no playoffs meant no football... I wouldn't want that. But since I can't think of a scenario where that wourld be required...

    But Yes. I am a fan of competition at the highest level more so than I am a fan of continuing something that was started a long, long time ago... under conditions and cirmcumstanes that aren't relevant today.

    All new traditions have to start somewhere, sometime. And it's a good thing if some traditions die.

    CFAbuckeye

  • CFAbuckeye said...

    I wouldn't say 'more than football'. If no playoffs meant no football... I wouldn't want that. But since I can't think of a scenario where that wourld be required...

    But Yes. I am a fan of competition at the highest level more so than I am a fan of continuing something that was started a long, long time ago... under conditions and cirmcumstanes that aren't relevant today.

    All new traditions have to start somewhere, sometime. And it's a good thing if some traditions die.

    So you wrote all of that to basically say that you are a fan of playoffs more than football and college football tradition.

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  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    So you wrote all of that to basically say that you are a fan of playoffs more than football and college football tradition.

    No. Read it again.

    CFAbuckeye