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osu>um said...
It's my opinion that none of the schools you have named are B1G caliber schools. Nothing Personal. If a school in and of itself can't bring in at least 25 million dollars than what is the point in having them? I've never understood the argument that says "we have to go to 16 teams if the SEC or Big 12 goes to 16". Why?
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miguelissimo said...
The only schools that seem BIG caliber are ND, UVA, Rutgers, Maryland, UNC, Duke and Georgia Tech. Unfortunately, the only one that brings anything in football wise is the least likely to join at this point.
ND plays 3 BIG foes each year: scUM, MSU and Purdue as well as 3 ACC foes (4 if you count Pitt.) It also plays two PAC12 schools, Stanford and USC.
With the new BIG-PAC deal, ND to the BIG makes more sense since between the two conferences, there are 5 teams already being scheduled.
I think there would be more money all around if, in addition to playing scUM and USC, ND also has Ohio State, Nebraska and PSU on the schedule many years as opposed to Maryland, Wake Forest and BYU for example.
I don't know, I still think if ND's back is to the wall they will go to the BIG and try to keep some of their traditional rivalries such as USC, BC and maybe a service academy.
I dont think they "fit" culturally, academically or geographically in the BIG12.
At the end of the day, the Excel spreadsheets and numbers will determine which conference they choose and my guess is that the overall value of the BIG with ND will be greater than the overall value of the BIGXII with ND.
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iowabuckeyes said...
I read an interesting article on a blog called "Frank the Tank's Slant: A Completely Logical Chicago and Illini Sports Blog and Random Thoughts on Politics, Pop Culture, and the World." I have no idea who this Frank dude is but I found his insights enlightening.
Written in the wake of last week's announcement that the SEC and Big 12 were partnering to create a new bowl game, in an article dated 5/21/2012 and entitled "Bowling for Dollars: New SEC/Big 12 Bowl and Realignment Rumors," Frank (the Tank) gave his perspective on what he thinks will happen in terms of conference expansion. His blogs go back to 2006, his counter shows 2.47 million hits, and this post generated 700 (!) comments in just four days so he clearly has some people's attention. Here's what he had to say about ND:
"What will Notre Dame do? – My 99% feeling is absolutely, positively nothing. There is .99% of me that thinks that Notre Dame could end up in the Big 12 as a non-football member, and I’ll leave a .01% chance that the Irish give up independence in football. As I’ve stated in several other posts, Notre Dame is NOT an independent as a result of money from its NBC deal. If Notre Dame simply wanted to make the most TV money possible, it would have chosen to be an equal revenue sharing member of the Big Ten. Instead, Notre Dame is independent because its alums have completely and thoroughly convinced themselves that independence in and of itself is the end game value that makes the Golden Dome special. I have a good number of Texas and Texas A&M readers and enjoy their stereotyping of each others’ fan bases – it’s what takes college sports fandom to another level beyond pro sports fandom. However, there is absolutely nothing compared to the laser-like unwavering focus that Notre Dame alums have upon independence with a groupthink that crushes every single other argument that the entire rest of the world deems to be “rational”. While Florida State alums might be wondering why the Seminoles aren’t maximizing their TV dollars as a member of the ACC, Notre Dame alums are the opposite and constantly on guard (and withholding large donations) about selling out independence for a few more dollars. Unlike many other schools, where members of the board of trustees might be political appointees, the alums are truly in control of Notre Dame.
"The upshot is that Notre Dame alums aren’t rational regarding the issue of independence and that matters because they have the ultimate power at that school (as opposed to the board of trustees or the university president). As a result, attempting to use rational arguments to say, “Notre Dame needs to join a conference to be competitive for the college football playoff” or “Notre Dame could keep its NBC deal if they joined us instead of them” isn’t going to get anyone anywhere from South Bend on board with that. Believe me – I’ve tried.
"For what it’s worth, the Domers aren’t completely irrational, either. BYU has a freaking TV deal worth millions of dollars per year with ESPN and Texas gets paid $15 million per year for bottom-of-the-barrel sports rights on the Longhorn Network, so the thought that Notre Dame couldn’t sell 7 home football games (of which there is guaranteed to be at least a game against Michigan or USC every year) for a price where it can more than afford to maintain independence is ridiculous. With every article, column, blog post and column that I see claiming that Notre Dame is “irrelevant”, I also see at least 3 power conferences (the Big Ten, Big 12 and ACC) that would add the Irish in a heartbeat and if the Pac-12 and SEC were actually viable options, they’d take the Domers, too. Every power conference bending over backwards to add a school is the antithesis of irrelevance.
"Now, could I see Notre Dame end up moving its non-football sports to the Big 12? That’s certainly possible if the Big East gets raided again, although if the Irish haven’t left the Big East by now when schools that it actually cared about such as Pitt, Syracuse and Miami left, it’s hard to see them getting too hung up about the likes of UConn, Rutgers or Louisville leaving. Let me put it another way: Notre Dame would absolutely take a non-football membership in the Big 12 before it would take an all-sports membership in the ACC or Big Ten because independence is truly the end game for the Irish. However, there shouldn’t be any assumption that the willingness of Notre Dame to take a non-football membership in the Big 12 has any bearing on whether the Irish would ever join the Big 12 for all-sports. The Big East already knows that very well."
This post was edited by miguelissimo on 5/25/2012 at 11:15 AM
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miguelissimo said...
Great article.
Yeah, economists now realize that people are not, in fact, rational, thus the rise of "behavioral" economics. This is basically Frank's argument and explains a lot:
"If Notre Dame simply wanted to make the most TV money possible, it would have chosen to be an equal revenue sharing member of the Big Ten."
Still, if four power conferences align and force ND to choose a conference by making it difficult for them to schedule opponents, it will be the BIG. I cannot imagine two narcissistic universities like ND and Texas in the same conference.
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osu>um said...
PS. To Iowa buckeyes; I've been reading Frank the Tank from the beginning and although he's been wrong most of the time with his forecasts, his arguments are well thought out and reasoned. I think his percentage of .99% for ND leaving is too high. I would put it some where bertween 75-85%. Still high, but not out of sight.
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Big 12 expansion: implications for ND