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Buckeye D is exposed.

  • This D cant cover. I hate to admit it but when teams figure out they can throw were in trouble. A great D cant have quarters like they did against Nebraska and Wisconsin (last 4 minutes). Swiss cheese when it counts. No way Indiana should drive down the field after we score. I know its hard to hear but these guys just dont buckle down like years past.

    This post was edited by 95buckeye on 11/5/2011 at 1:14 PM

    95buckeye

  • Roby is quite good but we all know the others are a lil behind. Howards been gettin burnt since he came back and everyone knows Moeller is not a coverage db. Bryant was riding the bench behind Johnson so that says alot in itself. We need to have Dominic Clarke on the field. Just like how these coaches burried Hyde when Boom came back, they burried Clarke and they should not have imo. I dont think anything was exposed though because you can just pick your poison between our LBers and DBs and thats been obvious since game 3. Not a whole lot of steller QBs in the big ten left to play so we will be OK and I think they took indy a lil lightly as well. Could have been a let down after last weeks win.

    buckybuckbuck

  • Really concerned Moeller has been more of a non factor this year than anything. We nned more speed on the field at the LB position, ie Shazier.

    Trackdad

  • Really hoping we see more of Shazier going forward. That kid really brings the heat on the QB.

    Razorback

  • It seemed like we were in a prevent defense all day today -- no pass rush and the middle of the field wide open. One thing I noticed was that if a big play was made on defense, it's by the defensive line. The linebackers play back and make tackles 5 to 10 yards down field and the defensive backs allow the catch and then make the tackle 5 to 15 yards down the field. I'm not sure this is all on the players, it seems like it's the way the defense is schemed. Also, it seems like no adjustments were made. Interestingly, when they played more of a normal defense with pressure on the last series of the game, when you would expect a prevent, the defense shut Indiana down.

    buckfan29

  • Thank God for Simon and Hankins. They have been great all season. Where were our linebackers today? Thought they played much better at Illinois and vs. Wisky but were non existent today.

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  • What do you expect? Joe Baus shreded the defense every day in practice.

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  • 32BukI4ever said...

    Thank God for Simon and Hankins. They have been great all season. Where were our linebackers today? Thought they played much better at Illinois and vs. Wisky but were non existent today.

    What did Hankin's do this game???? He made 1 or 2 plays.

    Chuman

  • Agree Chu, defensive line made plays at times, but from what I saw they were inaffective most of the game.

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  • 95buckeye said...

    This D cant cover. I hate to admit it but when teams figure out they can throw were in trouble. A great D cant have quarters like they did against Nebraska and Wisconsin (last 4 minutes). Swiss cheese when it counts. No way Indiana should drive down the field after we score. I know its hard to hear but these guys just dont buckle down like years past.

    Vrabel is getting a free pass as LB coach. If we are going to complain about Fickell learning on the job, then what is Vrabel doing. He is also learning on the job and lets be honest here, our LB play this year has been very average.

    tornado_zadar

  • Chuman said...

    What did Hankin's do this game???? He made 1 or 2 plays.

    Jonathan Hankins; 4 solo tackles, 3 assists, .5 tackle for loss. Sorry you missed it.

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  • it does not help when your d coordinator plays scared the whole game. no blitzes at all and no pressure on a freshman qb and backup receivers.

    any reason we couldn't pressure and blitz like they did to us?

    and christian bryant can't catch an int. to save his life.

    yourbuck

  • BriGuy said...

    Agree Chu, defensive line made plays at times, but from what I saw they were inaffective most of the game.

    Simon : 8 solo, 2 assists, 3 TFL, 1 sack--- Hankins: 4 solo, 3 assists, .5 TFL--- Goebel: 4 solo, 3 assist, 1 pass brk up---Bennett [ in limited action ] : 1 solo, 1TFL, 1 sack. Nothing wrong with those numbers. Safeties were making more tackles than the line backers, not good.

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  • we were literally in a six man box the entire game. It didn't matter what IU lined up in. four DL and two LB's. There were a number of times tOSU didn't have a pitch defender!!! WTF are they doing? It's simple mathematics! six blockers for six defenders. Add into the fact they are running the option it turned into six blockers on five defenders. There is a reason tOSU had three players with 100 yds rushing and the game was close till the last 4:00 minutes. It's on Luke Fickel. Plain and simple, if they pass on Urban Meyer for this guy, they will regret the decision for a decade!!!!! It was hard to watch today.

    Buckeyewilly34

  • Dont cry we could have been Nebraska and lost at home to Them.
    Complain all you want LF next OSU head coach and we become a dominant team and compete for national title.
    I imagine and have heard Vrabel is just giving input and helping the young LB.Its Heacocks defense,but vrabel has talked them into less contact at practice to not burn them out like at the Nebraska game.He is making a impact.
    We didnt have any interceptions that cost us the game.We won.Indiana will be a tuff out next year and years after that as they have some very good young players.The QB will be great.

    Why should anyone be surprised OSU always plays to the competition its nothing new.

    Spliveman

  • 95buckeye said...

    This D cant cover. I hate to admit it but when teams figure out they can throw were in trouble. A great D cant have quarters like they did against Nebraska and Wisconsin (last 4 minutes). Swiss cheese when it counts. No way Indiana should drive down the field after we score. I know its hard to hear but these guys just dont buckle down like years past.

    Spot on. This young secondary is struggling mightily in learning their zones. I would think that Luke would realize this, and opt to man up more. Or at least try some Cover-2. Our corners have to be better athletes than IU's WR's, so what did he really have to lose here? He is so cautious in everything he does, he really is like a Tressel clone.

    I said after the Wisky game, that if Bielema hadn't been so damn stubborn, and put the ball in Wilson's hands at the start of the second half, they win that game. I hope scUM doesn't figure this out, even though Denard is not as good as Wilson.

    This post was edited by godhatesusall on 11/6/2011 at 12:54 AM

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  • 95buckeye said...

    This D cant cover. I hate to admit it but when teams figure out they can throw were in trouble. A great D cant have quarters like they did against Nebraska and Wisconsin (last 4 minutes). Swiss cheese when it counts. No way Indiana should drive down the field after we score. I know its hard to hear but these guys just dont buckle down like years past.

    Buckeyes are fortunate they are not in a conference with good quarterbacks and great receivers. Two best Big Ten passing quarterbacks Ohio State faced were Kirk Cousins and Russell Wilson. Wilson is a lot better than Cousins. They are okay but they aren't Luck and Barkley. Ohio State also has NOT played against a good team with three or more receivers in a single game. The three receivers who gave Buckeye problems were B.J. Cunningham-Michigan State and the one receiver from Indiana today who got 145 receiving yards and Eric Page from Toledo. Put all three of those guys on the same team against the Buckeyes all at once and it's over for Ohio State.
    I don't think the Buckeyes can play a Stanford or a really good passing team with even two or more receiving threats with breakaway speed.

    Indiana was bad and they were 10 out of 17 on third down. That bothers me alot. This game was way too close. Buckeyes should have scored over 50 points against this doormat. Media can make all the excuses about Indiana being the world's best 1-9 football team ever to play the game of college football.

    Danny Hope, Jurassic Joe Paterno and Jabba the Hoke,the Chris Christie lookalike, should not give OSU any problems the next three games.

    buckibball4ever

  • 32BukI4ever said...

    Simon : 8 solo, 2 assists, 3 TFL, 1 sack--- Hankins: 4 solo, 3 assists, .5 TFL--- Goebel: 4 solo, 3 assist, 1 pass brk up---Bennett [ in limited action ] : 1 solo, 1TFL, 1 sack. Nothing wrong with those numbers. Safeties were making more tackles than the line backers, not good.

    When a team runs 40-50 plays a game, having 11 guys on the field, that's and average of 4.5 tackles per player (or around that). Don't get me wrong- Simon is a beast and is our best defensive player- hands down. But if you watch the game again, Hankin's makes a play here and there, but nothing special. Question is how do you get .5 TFL? WTF is that????

    I am not saying that the defense played bad, I thought this is our strongest component. But please don't throw out stats. They mean nothing. Everyone seems to get 3-4 tackles. It's how important those tackles are that count to me.

    Chuman

  • 95buckeye said...

    This D cant cover. I hate to admit it but when teams figure out they can throw were in trouble. A great D cant have quarters like they did against Nebraska and Wisconsin (last 4 minutes). Swiss cheese when it counts. No way Indiana should drive down the field after we score. I know its hard to hear but these guys just dont buckle down like years past.

    I am wondering if any of those d backs really even want the ball. I watched a bunch of kids playing on the corner Saturday morning and every kid on that field "WANTED" the ball when it went up in the air., OSU's d backs all watched the ball go into the hands of the receivers. Don't they know they are allowed to intercept it or don't they want it?banghead

    All a team needs to do against us is run slants across the middle and they will be wide open all day. No d back will attempt to come up and cut the route off or get in front of it. They all play too damned far back.

    This post was edited by bucksnnuts2 on 11/6/2011 at 5:35 AM

    bucksnnuts2

  • 32BukI4ever said...

    Simon : 8 solo, 2 assists, 3 TFL, 1 sack--- Hankins: 4 solo, 3 assists, .5 TFL--- Goebel: 4 solo, 3 assist, 1 pass brk up---Bennett [ in limited action ] : 1 solo, 1TFL, 1 sack. Nothing wrong with those numbers. Safeties were making more tackles than the line backers, not good.

    Yes, I said they were making plays, but on alot of plays if you actually watched the game, they got no penetration at all. NONE.

    Also, 2 D-lineman dont make up a defensive line. Our D was picked apart by a true freshman QB, mainly because of lack of pressure.

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  • It all starts up front and I don't think we got enough pressure from the D line (today). Aside from a few Tecmo Bowl type blitzes, just didn't put enough heat on 'em. Why the hell is Simon dropping back in coverage??
    As far as Shazier, I don't see why they don't give him a shot @ DE? And please don't reply about his size. It's all SPEED from the edge = we don't have any and Nate was the only one to supply it, so once again, give 10 a shot at it! He is definitely 110% whenever he is on the field!

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    3ydncloudofdust

  • buckybuckbuck said...

    Roby is quite good but we all know the others are a lil behind. Howards been gettin burnt since he came back and everyone knows Moeller is not a coverage db. Bryant was riding the bench behind Johnson so that says alot in itself. We need to have Dominic Clarke on the field. Just like how these coaches burried Hyde when Boom came back, they burried Clarke and they should not have imo. I dont think anything was exposed though because you can just pick your poison between our LBers and DBs and thats been obvious since game 3. Not a whole lot of steller QBs in the big ten left to play so we will be OK and I think they took indy a lil lightly as well. Could have been a let down after last weeks win.

    Agreed. Clarke needs to be on the field more. I thought that he should have started instead of Roby, but I have been impressed more and more each game with Roby. I have alot of respect for what the kid has done, but the truth is that the weak link in the defense at this point is Moeller. His open field tackling used to be excellent, and I don't know what has happened, but he just can't seem to take good angles, hit, and wrap up like he did 2 or 3 years ago. If you can't really cover, open-field tackling the critical skill which is needed in his linebacker-safety "Star" position. They need to insert Shazier or Clarke in this position, or maybe even give Cash or one of the safeties who can bulk up or a lean linebacker a shot at it. There seem to be plenty of guys ont he roster who fit this mold.

    And speaking of linebackers, both Sabino and Klein are ineffective against a zone-read or spread offense. Storm doesn't have the speed or quickness, and Sabino seems to be lost. I hope Curtis Grant can do better, or someone else emerges or we are going to be in trouble without Sweat next season. Sweat is the only one who seems to be consistent and able to make plays regardless of what the offense is doing. He usually plays better against better teams for whatever reason.

    JAG24

  • Chuman said...

    When a team runs 40-50 plays a game, having 11 guys on the field, that's and average of 4.5 tackles per player (or around that). Don't get me wrong- Simon is a beast and is our best defensive player- hands down. But if you watch the game again, Hankin's makes a play here and there, but nothing special. Question is how do you get .5 TFL? WTF is that????

    I am not saying that the defense played bad, I thought this is our strongest component. But please don't throw out stats. They mean nothing. Everyone seems to get 3-4 tackles. It's how important those tackles are that count to me.

    2 defenders combinig for a tackle for loss =.5 TFL. I won't throw out actual stats if you don't throw out incorrect numbers.

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  • Only 1 thing I hate more than a zone defense and that's the prevent defense. The only thing it prevents is the defense from being aggressive.

    Trackdad

  • Who does Ohio State play the rest of the season who can fling the football around?

    @ Purdue
    Penn State
    @ Michigan

    Doesn't sound like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Baylor to me, so I like our chances.

    BuckeyeMark