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Buford

  • TonyH59 said...

    Did you ever think that it doesnt matter if they are sophomores or not? Sully is supposed to be NOPTY and he looks like an average at best post player

    Craft cant score and when your #1 ball handler/ PG averages 6 pts a game, you wont go far in March!!!!

    Buford can't create. He'll have a hard time at the next level.

    chuck0609

  • Buford is a streak shooter, he's the same as Diebler was for us last season.

    The difference last year was that when Diebler was cold, there were 3 other guys who could potentially pick up the offensive slack - Buford, Lightly, or Thomas off the bench.

    This year, when Buford is cold, Thomas is the only option (with the exception of one or two games when Smith Jr. got hot, which we won). Matta tried to develop offense off the bench earlier this season with Sibert, who simply wasn't able to produce. Matta decided not to try LaQuinton Ross for whatever reason.

    When Buford went cold last night, Thomas did pick up the slack, but nobody else did much of anything.

    If you think about the previous Evan Turner led teams prior to last season, we almost always went the way of Diebler. When Diebler was hot, we could beat anyone. But when he wasn't, we were vulnerable to lose to any respectable opponent. Turner was pretty consistent, win or lose. This is kind of the same way we are now with Sullinger taking the place of Turner.

    The bottom line is that we are now going to go the way of Buford. Matta knows it and thats why he was screaming and in his face last night. I don't think it was a good coaching strategy to put all the eggs in this basket, but only time will tell. I'm hoping Buford catches fire in the NCAA tournament. If he can, he could carry us to the championship. If or when we bow out, it's very likely to be when Buford has an off night.

    If I was coaching against Matta, I'd try to take Buford out of rythym. I think even an overmatched opponent could take us out with good enough defense on him.

    JAG24

  • kelleyredd said...

    Bruh how in the hell do you ALWAYS put it on Buford, he played horrible yes, but where was CRAFT, SMITH, and THOMPSON. BURKE absolutely abused Craft tonight not only did Craft not do shit offensively, he didn't shut down Burke. Smith had two costly turnovers with the charge and the travel and Thompson is scared to shoot. If you go down and look at the shots where was Craft creating for others or putting pressure on the defense. Don't always have your Buford blinders on look at the entire game for once!!

    Where was the Buford thread last game? Don't pick and choose!

    4 year starting senior. nuff said. listen i have lost all respect i had for sullinger as well, dude is fucking cry baby beyond belief. he lost all his toughness with the weight he lost. but you are such a buford defender is sickening. he has regressed. if you cant see that then you're blind. this team will never reach its potential due to buford. how do you keep defending his suck?

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  • NevadaPick said...

    Front-runner

    who's being a front runner? this team has never won shit for any of us to be front runners

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  • i love how you fucking dweebs defending buford use craft and smith had a bad game too. raise your hands if you thought craft or smith would be your points leader/senior lead this year? oh that's right no one. you are fucking retarded if you compare buford to those two. buford fucking blows. big game buford is a guy that doesnt show up and shoots 20% in games that matter. there is NOOOOOOO defending him anymore. put him on first team big 10 i dont freaking care. the dude SUCKS. anyone that starts for 4 years should not regress, period! i am fully aware that only only one guy on this team is tough and that's thomas. he is the only guy with balls. sullinger is a fat fucking cry baby who has regressed beyond my imagination, craft just lacks offensive talent, smith is who we all thought he was which is nothing. buford was supposed to be THEE guy this year. well he's not. "2-16 haunted me i was terrible and we lost cause of me." buford said that did he not? well we're losing big games still due to his lack of having IT. some guys have it some guys dont. william will NEVER have IT.

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  • chuck0609 said...

    He'll get to the NBA, but he's going to have a hard time sticking.

    He can't create a shot, and is an average shooter.

    When he plays against athletic teams, he struggles.

    Kentucky last year exposed him, he was something like 3-16 from the field. He hits two more shots in that game, that team goes on to win a national championship.

    I usually don't like to ou the blame on one person in team sports, but it's blatantly obvious he's been a tremendous disappointment this season.

    The Kentucky game should have really motivated him (it stopped him from going pro last year). Instead it may have ruined him.

    sad truth is buford and sullinger should have both left after last year. their stocks have PLUMMETED.

    sorry for so many post on this. blacked out when i created this thread so im catching up with what everyone was saying about it

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  • great2belucky said...

    4 year starting senior. nuff said. listen i have lost all respect i had for sullinger as well, dude is fucking cry baby beyond belief. he lost all his toughness with the weight he lost. but you are such a buford defender is sickening. he has regressed. if you cant see that then you're blind. this team will never reach its potential due to buford. how do you keep defending his suck?

    I'm not defending Buford really, I just don't see how you put it on him every damn game. You make a Buford thread every game he doesn't do well, I do see that he stinks in SOME big games but I also see like you mentioned Sully crying and falling ALL the damn time. Craft not creating shit for anyone on offense and not doing shit himself and Smith not getting the garbage buckets he should be getting and/or attacking the offensive glass or defensive for that matter. The one offensive rebound I think he got, he fell and the refs called travel, rather than passing it to teammates in front he wanted a bail out foul call, and I think they get that shit from Sully

    Let's get it!!!

    kelle_m

  • great2belucky said...

    i love how you fucking dweebs defending buford use craft and smith had a bad game too. raise your hands if you thought craft or smith would be your points leader/senior lead this year? oh that's right no one. you are fucking retarded if you compare buford to those two. buford fucking blows. big game buford is a guy that doesnt show up and shoots 20% in games that matter. there is NOOOOOOO defending him anymore. put him on first team big 10 i dont freaking care. the dude SUCKS. anyone that starts for 4 years should not regress, period! i am fully aware that only only one guy on this team is tough and that's thomas. he is the only guy with balls. sullinger is a fat fucking cry baby who has regressed beyond my imagination, craft just lacks offensive talent, smith is who we all thought he was which is nothing. buford was supposed to be THEE guy this year. well he's not. "2-16 haunted me i was terrible and we lost cause of me." buford said that did he not? well we're losing big games still due to his lack of having IT. some guys have it some guys dont. william will NEVER have IT.

    Whoooaaaaa it's not about defending Buford, but those are fictional statements when you say he doesn't show up for Big Games, the fact is he plays like shit on Big games on the road.

    You can't give Craft and Smith a pass, they played like SHIT and didn't do ANYTHING. Craft didn't do shit offensively and didn't neutralize Burke defensively. Smith might as well not played because the only things I remember him doing is getting two turnovers in critical momensts (the charge, and the travel). I don't give a shit that they are sophmores, the entire guard unit STUNK. That's fair to me, not just blast Buford EVERY time he doesn't perform.

    Let's get it!!!

    kelle_m

  • kelleyredd said...

    Whoooaaaaa it's not about defending Buford, but those are fictional statements when you say he doesn't show up for Big Games, the fact is he plays like shit on Big games on the road.

    You can't give Craft and Smith a pass, they played like SHIT and didn't do ANYTHING. Craft didn't do shit offensively and didn't neutralize Burke defensively. Smith might as well not played because the only things I remember him doing is getting two turnovers in critical momensts (the charge, and the travel). I don't give a shit that they are sophmores, the entire guard unit STUNK. That's fair to me, not just blast Buford EVERY time he doesn't perform.

    i dont expect craft or smith to have any offensive effect in games, not sure how people suddenly do. anyone that thought smith was good on offense drank the kool aid of him having two randomly good games. buford and sully i do. they have both regressed. sullinger is too busy crying and buford is too busy not caring. truthfully i blame sully more. he's "allegedly" a top 10 nba pick. do you see top 10 pick in him? he's soft, unathletic and has a minimum skill set. he cant dribble and frankly hangs on to the ball far too long. my dislike for buford comes from he "allegedly" took the kentucky game personal and blame himself for the loss. yet, he still sucks when the lights are brightest. you point to him having two good games, duke and florida which he did and i agree with you, but i can point to 15 games where he has been a major reason for the loss. 2 < 15.

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  • kelleyredd said...

    Whoooaaaaa it's not about defending Buford, but those are fictional statements when you say he doesn't show up for Big Games, the fact is he plays like shit on Big games on the road.

    You can't give Craft and Smith a pass, they played like SHIT and didn't do ANYTHING. Craft didn't do shit offensively and didn't neutralize Burke defensively. Smith might as well not played because the only things I remember him doing is getting two turnovers in critical momensts (the charge, and the travel). I don't give a shit that they are sophmores, the entire guard unit STUNK. That's fair to me, not just blast Buford EVERY time he doesn't perform.

    I think you are arguing with someone in Lucky who doesn't know anything about basketball as evidenced by his posts on the subject. I'd recommend sticking to the "Bucknutin but net" area for basketball and hope the football only crowd stays on this side where stupid stuff like "so and so sucks" posts get up voted.

    JAG24

  • JAG24 said...

    I think you are arguing with someone in Lucky who doesn't know anything about basketball as evidenced by his posts on the subject. I'd recommend sticking to the "Bucknutin but net" area for basketball and hope the football only crowd stays on this side where stupid stuff like "so and so sucks" posts get up voted.

    right..... tell me where im wrong about sully and buford. tell me where im wrong that we dont run any set offensive plays? tell me where im wrong that we dont develop young talent. explain to me how i know nothing about basketball. some of you are hilarious. someone disagrees then he just knows nothing about the sport. if i know nothing prove that i know nothing.

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  • great2belucky said...

    sad truth is buford and sullinger should have both left after last year. their stocks have PLUMMETED.

    sorry for so many post on this. blacked out when i created this thread so im catching up with what everyone was saying about it

    I give Sullinger more slack as the defenses are collapsing on him; big men traditionally don't light it up in college. They get their rebounds and blocks.

    Sully added that little jumper that's really going to help him at the next level. I see a lot of Boozer in him; and if that's the case, he'll have a long career and make a lot of money.

    Buford on the other hand will struggle. When he came out of highschool he ws a scorer and slasher. Now he looks absolutely lost on the court.

    chuck0609

  • kelleyredd said...

    Whoooaaaaa it's not about defending Buford, but those are fictional statements when you say he doesn't show up for Big Games, the fact is he plays like shit on Big games on the road.

    You can't give Craft and Smith a pass, they played like SHIT and didn't do ANYTHING. Craft didn't do shit offensively and didn't neutralize Burke defensively. Smith might as well not played because the only things I remember him doing is getting two turnovers in critical momensts (the charge, and the travel). I don't give a shit that they are sophmores, the entire guard unit STUNK. That's fair to me, not just blast Buford EVERY time he doesn't perform.

    Buford is a senior who's supposed to a scorer. He's not the first option and should be able to get looks with Sully and Thomas.

    He's doing NOTHING. Craft and Smith are role players. If that's where you categorize Buford, than I understand your point.

    But this is allegedly a stud player, he's not living up to it in any capacity. Dropping 25 on Minnesota at home doesn't cut it.

    chuck0609

  • great2belucky said...

    right..... tell me where im wrong about sully and buford. tell me where im wrong that we dont run any set offensive plays? tell me where im wrong that we dont develop young talent. explain to me how i know nothing about basketball. some of you are hilarious. someone disagrees then he just knows nothing about the sport. if i know nothing prove that i know nothing.

    This isn't football, set offensive plays in basketball are mostly limited to in-bounds plays. Teams run offensive and defensive schemes or systems, but very few set plays per say. The game is more fluid than football.

    Obviously, there are commonalities at coaching any sport. I have criticized Matta, above, and explained why we are less effective than last season.

    JAG24

  • JAG24 said...

    This isn't football, set offensive plays in basketball are mostly limited to in-bounds plays. Teams run offensive and defensive schemes or systems, but very few set plays per say. The game is more fluid than football.

    Obviously, there are commonalities at coaching any sport. I have criticized Matta, above, and explained why we are less effective than last season.

    really? i think this post proved what you know about the sport. watch unc, watch kentucky, watch syracuse those teams run plenty of plays, screens for playmakers, and get the ball to their scorers in scoring position. the very first possession last night we wasted 32 seconds off the shot clock and buford jacked up an absolutely pathetic fade away jumper. FIRST POSSESSION! the offense on this team is beyond pathetic

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  • I like what was posted in the Cleveland paper:

    http://www.cleveland.com/buckeyeblog/index.ssf/2012/02/william_buford_consistently_in.html

    We need the 12 pt Bufford. Not the 24+ Bufford. He doesn't need to be great and carry the team, just consitent with 12-16 pts/game. He gets that, we beat MSU and tsun.

    DaytonBuckeye

  • DaytonBuckeye said...

    I like what was posted in the Cleveland paper:

    http://www.cleveland.com/buckeyeblog/index.ssf/2012/02/william_buford_consistently_in.html

    We need the 12 pt Bufford. Not the 24+ Bufford. He doesn't need to be great and carry the team, just consitent with 12-16 pts/game. He gets that, we beat MSU and tsun.

    Agreed.

    Buford goes them 16 Pts a game in under 12-14 shots and this team gets to the final four.

    chuck0609

  • chuck0609 said...

    Buford is a senior who's supposed to a scorer. He's not the first option and should be able to get looks with Sully and Thomas.

    He's doing NOTHING. Craft and Smith are role players. If that's where you categorize Buford, than I understand your point.

    But this is allegedly a stud player, he's not living up to it in any capacity. Dropping 25 on Minnesota at home doesn't cut it.

    This is college ball and he's no Austin Rivers, his offense is predicated off of a good offensive rhythm and solid screens and also the defense not playing well off of those screens. Michigan did an awesome job doubling off of screens, we weren't prepaired for that.

    Let's get it!!!

    kelle_m

  • We need everyone to contribute not just Buford, if we get nothing from Smith and Craft regardless of Bufords 12-16 we are going home!

    This post was edited by kelle_m on 2/19/2012 at 3:12 PM

    Let's get it!!!

    kelle_m

  • chuck0609 said...

    Buford is a senior who's supposed to a scorer. He's not the first option and should be able to get looks with Sully and Thomas.

    He's doing NOTHING. Craft and Smith are role players. If that's where you categorize Buford, than I understand your point.

    But this is allegedly a stud player, he's not living up to it in any capacity. Dropping 25 on Minnesota at home doesn't cut it.

    Ok Chuck please tell me in any basketball team where your starting PG is a role player. He may not be the primary option but a PG is never a role player, he has the ball in his hands 95% of all possessions.

    Buford isn't a SG that creates off of the dribble, his game is predicated within the offense via screens and curls. When he's left to create on his own with the shot clock running down we often don't have success. Your best playmaker (ala Burke) should have the ball with the clock running down to create for others or go to the basket. Buford isn't our best playmaker, Craft is.

    He dropped 25 on Minnesota on the road FYI.

    This post was edited by kelle_m on 2/19/2012 at 3:20 PM

    Let's get it!!!

    kelle_m

  • kelleyredd said...

    Ok Chuck please tell me in any basketball team where your starting PG is a role player. He may not be the primary option but a PG is never a role player, he has the ball in his hands 95% of all possessions.

    Buford isn't a SG that creates off of the dribble, his game is predicated within the offense via screens and curls. When he's left to create on his own with the shot clock running down we often don't have success. Your best playmaker (ala Burke) should have the ball with the clock running down to create for others or go to the basket. Buford isn't our best playmaker, Craft is.

    He dropped 25 on Minnesota on the road FYI.

    This team isn't built around its point guard. This year its SENIOR was supposed to compliment Sullinger if not e a lethal one two punch with him. Hasn't happened.

    You're also picking on the sophomore that wasn't a TOP recruit coming out of highschool. Buford was not a spot up shooter coming out of highschool as Diebler was coming out. He was supposed to be versatile.

    I'm not going to compare Buford to Craft- Buford is supposed to be a reliable scorer for this team while Craft is supposed to get the ball down court, distribute and play defense.

    Craft is playing his role, Burford isn't.

    chuck0609

  • chuck0609 said...

    This team isn't built around its point guard. This year its SENIOR was supposed to compliment Sullinger if not e a lethal one two punch with him. Hasn't happened.

    You're also picking on the sophomore that wasn't a TOP recruit coming out of highschool. Buford was not a spot up shooter coming out of highschool as Diebler was coming out. He was supposed to be versatile.

    I'm not going to compare Buford to Craft- Buford is supposed to be a reliable scorer for this team while Craft is supposed to get the ball down court, distribute and play defense.

    Craft is playing his role, Burford isn't.

    Are you kidding me? So because Craft (a 4 star top 100 player ) wasn't a McDonalds All American he gets a pass on playing like shit? Evan Turner (4 star ranked the 59th best player in his class) was a stud as a sophmore and he caught hella shit because he used to turn the ball over a lot. I'm not picking on any player but don't say Buford stunk and act like nobody else stunk it up either. When Sully had the 10 turnover game at Michigan St he deserved the criticism.

    Diebler wasn't a spot up shooter in highschool, he became a spot up shooter in college because he didn't develop into anything more than that. Buford probably will be a spot up shooter at the next level just like Diebler if/when he comes back from overseas.

    If that's all we needed from our PG, why isn't Shannon Scott getting more PT? Crafts role on this team is to get the team intothe offense and also score the ball and be efficient in doing that, along with play defense. Burke (Top 100 player like Craft but a freshman) busted his ass last night for 17 and 5 while Craft had 4 and 3 and Lenzelle Smith had nothing. If Buford is expected to have double figures and be efficient (we all agree on that), then you also hold other players accountable.

    The bottom line is the entire backcourt failed last night. The stat line as a unit was 5-21, 0-7 on threes, 2-4 at the FT line, 9 rebs, 7 assists, 7 TO's, and 12 Pts total. Trey Burke outscored our entire starting backcourt, so how is this just on Buford. If you take out Bufords stats then Smith and Craft shot 2-9, 0-4 on 3's, 2-2 on FT's, 3 Rebs, 5 assists, 5 TO's, 4 steals, and 6 pts. If that's all thats expected from a starting backcourt then we really don't have much of a team.

    I guarantee that Craft, Buford, and Lenzelle expect more from themselves than that, so you can't just hold Buford's feet to the fire because he's a Senior.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by kelle_m on 2/19/2012 at 6:02 PM

    Let's get it!!!

    kelle_m

  • great2belucky said...

    Lol. Dude is horrible when the lights are shining.

    I feel bad for the kid. He has been nothing but a great kid on and off the floor. Hoping he can get himself out of this funk. The guy can ball just hope he can get hot at the right time

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