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This could be the tip of the iceberg..... or another thing that gets swept under the rug by ESPN.
The guy making these claims seems to be a fraud and a sleeze. Plus these stickers and shit are just a bunch of hocus pocus bull shit. The Deer Antler Spray may have some effects if used in high doses but I think Alabamas secret to winning is oversigning/ holding try-outs and having a great satanist coaching staff.
Alabama is extremely sound on the LOS...both defensively and more importantly....on offense!
It's an interesting read. I posted the SI article yesterday, it actually mentions specific players.
My bad, I didn't see that.
I don't know enough about the substance to say they are hocus pocus - trusting you do - but transdermal patches themselves are hardly hocus pocus.
cause we all know there's never been ohio state players to use banned substances, or any college players ever outside of bama. story is whatever to me. bama isnt the only school who has guys juicing, or antlering to say
Or look at the NFL. Those teams covet draft picks. Could you imagine the uproar if ONLY AFC North teams got 11 rounds while the other 28 teams got 7? Or if the teams with extra picks could just tear up bad contracts? No way thatd fly. THATS oversigning!
Nor were the Buckeyes the only guys with tattoos. Yet somehow that was different? If rules are in place and they are broken there should be consequences.....FOR EVERYBODY (not just for teams who get selectively "exposed" by the media for ratings). The OSU saga was round the clock news for a relatively trivial thing. I think "deer antler" spray is idiotic but if its banned its banned, period. Who paid for this spray? Did coaches know? Were agents involved? If espn is suing to see if Pryor got a free can of pop on a golf course this "spray", no matter how nonsensical, should get the same scrutiny.
i mean im not disagreeing, simply saying this isnt their secret to winning
get the point, not the best analogy. dont think nfl teams would care that much if 4 teams had first dibs on undrafted free agents. i like the second one.
honestly though, people can either continue to cry about it or a team outside of the sec can win the national championship. you can only control what you can. there's plenty of other good players in the country, now someone else needs to win. and i think it's the buckeyes duty to be that team
This post was edited by great2belucky 15 months ago
This I agree with
If "Deer Antler Spray" is a banned substance (and it is banned by all major sporting leagues), and Alabama players used it, this is a big story and needs to be investigated in depth. Michael Wilbon said on PTI "I'm already tired of this Deer Antler spray thing." I bet he is tired of it because a scandal like this would destroy his cash cow. Amazing. ESPN is already trying to sweep this shit under the rug. If Bama won the 2012 NC with players that were juicing, is that a legitimate win? The 2011 Sugar Bowl win was deemed illegitimate because some players got some free tats.
I think we all know how this story would work if it was our guys caught in this.....If you don't believe it then you need your head examined.
So OSU on sanctions can have 23 schollies in the next several years. Right now we have 23, and still recruiting more. What is this????????????? It's filling in your roster. It's not simple math. It's finding a way to get the max amount of people on roster that can play competitive football.
Stop with this over-signing BS crap already.
Nobody is "crying" but the fact is more players equals better depth. The main difference between being a champion at a big time programs IS depth. Look no further than the NFL rosters. Its not SEC dominated yet the conference has won several titles in a row. If you think NFL teams wouldnt go ballistic if certain teams had more picks then you dont follow the NFL. What was the first thing the NFL did to punish the Saints? Pats after Spygate? Draft picks. What does the NFL give to expansion teams to speed up their ability to compete? Again, draft picks. Im not sure why any time somebody dares question the SEC it is considered "crying", "butthurt" or whatever dumb name somebody wants to use. If oversigning WASNT an advantage why do certain conferences ban it? Why is the SEC so dead set on not enforcing it? Its not crying its math.
This post was edited by 95buckeye 15 months ago
Certainly not their secret to winning. Great team, outstanding staff, elite tradition. Im just saying it doesnt hurt to bring in a more guys than other teams. Just look at this years RB class at Bama. Could OSU afford to recruit 4 RBs? When a team has 12 open spots and bring in over 20 kids it amounts to open tryouts. Not blaming Bama exactly bc technically their playing by the rules. If anything the NCAA should worry about this advantage and not if somebody gets an extra muffin at bowl practice.
You should really take the time and look at the numbers. Bringing in a guy or two in anticipation of transfers is kind of expected. Bringing in 20+(and still recruiting) for 12 openings is a big difference. Look at some of the kids we have kinda let slide because of space (Gibson and Foster immediately comes to mind). You dont think our coaches wouldve LOVED to have been able to bring them on and wait for academics? Instead they needed the space for guys who would make the grades without a problem. Just look at the top 10 rankings on the Bucknuts front page. See anything strange? TAMU is at 32 (and climbing) recruits a year after joining the conference. They have 8 wrs coming in. Thats closing in on half a team! If you dont see that as advantageous then I dont know what to tell you. If youre one of these guys who thinks that somehow every "super athlete" goes to the SEC then youre insane. Using the "better athletes, more speed" argument it should be USC winning every year. Cali has more athletes than anybody else and its not even close.
Hell with it. Just eliminate ALL schollie limits and see what happens. Go back to the days when it was OSU and scUM beating people 75-0 in the B10. Back when they could gobble up every player and sit them on the bench just to keep them off other teams. Schollie limits brought parity and has allowed teams like Boise, etc to get 3* kids that years ago would be USC backups. Im not sure whats so hard to understand about a larger player pool equating to better depth. Better depth usually equals better teams. Its the whole reason there are divisions in football at all levels.
When I said 'secret' to winning I meant secret. Before last week, nobody knew (for sure) that Bama players were on roids. It's no secret that Bama is well coached and its basically no secret that they oversign.
Good points 95. OS is an advantage. It doesn't negate the fact that Satan is a great coach, or that he's reeeling in top classes every year. But an advantage is an advantage.
i think it's simple: no one to blame but the other conferences for not doing what the sec does. giving 4 year scholarships to kids is beyond stupid. you should have to earn your scholarship every year in the classroom, on the field, and in the community. if you dont, no more scholarship. secondly, are we playing with fire? we're at 81 scholarships right now but we might take 3 more. wouldnt that be forcing someone out if we did such a thing?
Agreed. Deer antler spray and whatever concoction is being used to cover it up so it doesn't show up in testing seems like cheating of the highest degree. I don't know how this can be swept under the rug. And I'm sure Alabama isn't the only team with players using it, but it may be the only one where its use has been institutionalized per say. I think performance enhancing drug use is rampant in college football, same as most other sports.
Ray Lewis sounds like Lance Armstrong when he repeatedly says he has never failed a drug test. Well that may be true, but that doesn't mean the reason he has been able to play so well for all these years isn't the drugs. His career may be tainted the same way all these baseball players, sprinters, cyclists, etc. have been tarnished.
When individuals or teams (eg Armstrong, Ray Lewis or Alabama football) perform so much better than the competion, it raises red flags. Over-signing is a factor, but that alone does not explain this type of dominance by the SEC or one team out of the conference.
Even the physical statures of their players scream roids, exception of Barrett Jones. You maybe have 3 to 4 guys who have a frame like that on your team.
Absolutely. Saban is without a doubt an amazing coach. No way Id minimize what hes done at Bama.
Trust that there are other programs with players that are doing the same but the difference being that their teams go 6-7, 4-8 and 8-5 so there's little to any investigations.
So even if some Alabama players have used the substance it still comes down to oversigning and Saban's "kill or be killed" coaching ethic.
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