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I can just see it now, after every big hit the camera will zoom in to the LED red light flashing...Musberger will say "Now that's a hit folks"
But the NFL didn't put in my contract that I may get a serious brain injury so they should be liable for billions of dollars because I can't remember how to get home from the bar now. It's all the lack of accountability we have in this country today. "Everything is someone other than my" fault so I can sue someone. BS, you traded your health for the millions the NFL offered you and people are still coming out of college today in search of these millions despite the head injury awareness that is out there.
I didn't know they had basements in the West Boca ghetto.
guys it's the kids that i worry about. The ones playing pee wee football and hs football not making any money. Do we know for a fact if they are running into similar brain injuries. do we know. do we care. i have children and trust me i think about whether or not i should let them play football .. i can teach them how to play correctly , but what about the other lunatic kids leading with their heads ?
Wait a minute. Show me where Junior Seau or Dave Duerson or any of these guys who died from CTE asked for settlement. Show me where any of them said they were lied or deceived. I'm sure they were more than well aware that football's a dangerous and often ruthless sport. And if you need any proof, they're DEAD! Football effectively killed them slowly, one vicious hit at a time, and took them young.
If anything, they (and/or their families) should be credited for leaving their brains for science so the long-term traumatic effects of conclusions can be studied.
I disagree and believe that you (and other posters) lack perspective and are looking at a complicated issue in a black & white manner.
I recall you said you were in your early 20's. I am in my upper 40's and I did not know the dangers of football when I started in midget league in Canton, Ohio (at 8 years old) playing against the likes of Chris Spielman. I can still remember him getting a well-earned MVP at the banquet.
I played through junior high school and saw stars too many times in a brief career. I can still remember getting hit by a teammate in practice who went on to back up Lorenzo Wright at Michigan State in the 1980's. Another teammate (who went on to play college ball at Kent State) laid me out once in a tackling drill in practice. My worst injury was not to the head, but a shattered left hand when I got sacked (as back-up QB) in 8th grade trying to defend with my left hand to throw with my right. This kid went on to play defensive end for West Virginia. My hand was swelled up like a baloon and I can still remember the pain that shot through it when the team bus rolled over a railroad track. I played my freshman year just to prove to myself that I wasn't afraid. Played corner, learned to hit real low and avoid head to head and fortunately made it through the season OK.
After freshman year, I wisely decided NFL was not in my future and basketball was a better sport for me to play in high school.
If my son had expressed an interest in playing football I would have let him, but I can't say that I was disappointed that he didn't. I enjoy his choices of cross country and track as high school sports. And the truth is that if you can run a 5K in under 20 minutes, you're not soft. The top kids can bang it out in less 16 minutes, which is impressive.
Bottom line, I love watching football, but it has become too dangerous. Even if you think you knew the dangers as a 6th grader you would not be legally responsible in any court in the country. All of the future stars are playing as children and are putting others more at risk than themselves. Even back when I played midget league, Spielman was considered too heavy and wasn't allowed to carry the ball.
These lawsuits are going to cost the sport big time. Seau is a turning point and cannot be ignored. The evidence - none of which should surprise anyone who has played - is mounting. If safety cannot be improved by teaching shoulder tackling and improving the strength of the helmets to protect against head injury, it could very well go the way of boxing within a decade or two.
This post was edited by JAG24 18 months ago
Like it or not, law suits will change the game, they've affected every single other aspect of our life and the NFL will be no different. Just because "tough guys" want to bang heads on the field doesn't mean the courts will care, irrefutable evidence is piling up and we all know what that means in this litigious environment.
This post was edited by IndyDog 18 months ago
You're not alone...
Feel the same way exactly! It's just a textbook example of the state of this country to be honest.....
It began with ridiculous/frivolous law suits....
Americans have become non-hackers. Completely weak and pathetic in almost every regard! They can't handle life....which is often times unfair, messy and rough!! They can't handle the consequences of their own actions and more often now than ever before someone or something else is responsible for the decisions they've made in their lives.
Not all fortunately.....I know/known many veterans who have served what was once (and still could be) the greatest nation in the world....put their lives on the line and more often their limbs......accepting that decision not once, twice...but sometimes what turns out to be 3 tours of duty! They smile, are happy to be alive, love their families, friends and their lives and would do it all over again if they could.
They aren't paid millions upon millions of dollars.....and then turn around and sue those who paid them.
I too am in my 40's....and played the game/games.
Ice Hockey and football. I knew the consequences at an early age yet continued to play both sports for more years than most do.
I am recovering as I speak from my 3rd knee surgery. I've done both my knees and now a repeat on my left. Both shoulders, a few concussions, broken noses, fingers and hands.
You are (not you specifically) naive if you think for a single second these guys don't know how dangerous this game is!! That's a ridiculous notion.
This game has always been violent. This game has always been evolving. The claim that the players are now bigger and faster is true. But it has always been that way. The players since the beginning have always been getting bigger and faster. That is nothing new. We didn't just all of a sudden arrive here at this point. The equipment has also been going through the same process. Technology evolves as the people evolve.
Football is and has always been dangerous. The only way to stop it from being so is to change the game altogether. Like flag football. It's already becoming that anyway with all the damn penalty flags being thrown.
Junior Seau shot himself in the chest. A very very rare way to commit suicide. He was facing a lot more issues that we'll never know....more issues than his concussions. Yet here we are...as a nation....shifting the focus of blame towards someone/something other than ourselves....simply because we don't like the final outcome of a decision made long ago.
We the paying public then are as every bit responsible as the NFL in regards to what happens to these guys. It's the violence that draws us all to this game in the 1st place. So we as football fans should fork out our hard earned dollars and pay up as well.
The younger you are, the more invincible and indestructible you think you are. There isn't a teenage boy alive who doesn't think he'll live forever. Concussion? Suicide? Car crash? Cancer? Diabetes? Heart murmur?
Those are things that always happen to other people...until they happen to you.
Maybe the 6 year old isn't aware but the parents are. You talk of all the pain and injury had that caused you to stop playing and are aware of the head injuries yet you would have let your son play the game. Perhaps Seau and those you mention didn't have parents that knew the risk but there are plenty of parents out there now letting their children play for the thought of money (college or pro) and notariety at their high schools so please don't attempt the better than thou attitude because parents now DO know the potential risks their children face with every snap of the ball.
i respect your post, great perspective, and im not denying that things havent changed over time, but i have been diagnosed with 5 concussion in my life from playing football. that's just diagnosed. i dont blame anyone for the head injuries i received, i blame the fact that the sport is dangerous. i knew the sport was dangerous. i didnt have to play the sport if i felt like it was too dangerous. im not going to act like i know all the repercussions of the concussions i have received, but im not going to blame OHSAA, CYO or NCAA for the injuries i received.
Were you aware of the mounting evidence of the repurcussions of concussions when you were playing?
Just one other thing I haven't seen mentioned here...the effects on loved ones who didn't elect to deal with any issues. Do they have any stake in the matter?
no. that's my point though. if these guys were so scared then they'd all quit and stop making a gazillion dollars per year. they then go and blame the sport THEY chose to play instead of realizing it comes with the territory
There are way to many factors involved to be making predictions, but the realization that football is a major risk factor for long term brain injury in the same way boxing is has only recently come to light in a significant way. It is hard to say how this is going to effect the game but I do not think it is going to be ignored. A society that does not care about this type of issue is barbaric. I think this is one of the issues that sank the popularity of boxing, but than again boxing still exists so as I said at the beginning there are way to many factors involved to be making predictions.
not having many good boxers, good fights due to guys being bitches, along with the growth of the ufc has been boxings downfall.
There are aspects of this thread that are disturbing to me. It's like hearing the crowd at Rome's Colosseum taunting the gladiators because they stepped into the ring and gave us a good fight but still died--we've cheered and jeered and booed and praised football players all our lives, grew up emulating them, wanting to be them and now that they are dying, we're saying they should have been smarter than taking the money fans like us paid from the time they were 14 or 15 so that they'd play for our entertainment and enjoyment?
Yeah, they're not quite coal miners dying of black lung disease because they had no way out but it's still an occupational hazard. And just like coal miners, for many football players, it's all they've got because if it wasn't for football, many of them would have noting. It's a way out, a way to a better life; unfortunately, the good always die young.
99% of the guys in the nfl went to college for free. if football is all they have then we're openly admitting college kids should be getting paid then
My point is that the NFL is going to shell out tens of millions and the colleges won't be far behind. There is mounting evidence these head injuries are very serious stuff and a time bomb in the brain that can explode years later. Mom and Dad are more hesitant than they were even a few years ago to push little Johnny into playing, and some may be at they point where they won't allow the kids to play.
Internet "tough guy talk" aside, this is going to be a huge problem for this sport, whether you like it or not. The rule changes that are being pushed are a good thing. These need to be taken further. The helmet issue is the tough one. The harder you make them, they might be more effective to defend, but they also become a more effective weapon, which is how they are being used.
You are wrong on several parts of your post. I agree that parents are aware that football is a dangerous game and there is small potential for paralysis with a bad hit. But I don't think most parents are thinking that their kid getting their "bell rung" (as they used to say back in the day) has the potential to lead to long term brain damage. There is growing evidence to suggest as much, and this is a potential game changer depending on what the researchers learn. Believe me, I hope the research doesn't show this, but my point is that we are talking about science, it doesn't matter whether you like the results or not.
Of the thousands that play through high school, only a small fraction of the kids ever get a scholarship or make millions in the pros. I think the argument that some of you are making that somehow this makes it all worth whatever risk is grossly limited in perspective.
Rush Limbaugh is trying to politicize this because he is bitter he got thrown out as a commentator and wasn't allowed to join the owner's club. I don't think this is a political issue at all and I wish he would stay out of it.
You're focused on the wrong side of the 1% because 99% of the football players who went to college for free aren't playing in the NFL. Life is about the choices we make, the repercussions of which aren't often known until much later and, in some cases, when it's too late.
And if we're going to give them the option of literally putting their lives on the line in exchange for some form of compensation, whether it be money or an education, then they should be able to start making those decisions when they're 18, not when their recruiting class has completed its third year of eligibility. The NBA has its one-and-done rule, MLB and the NHL allow kids to become professionals straight out of high school. Young men can vote and fight and die for our country but the NFL bars them from earning a living until they're 21. It's called restraint of trade.
If you had an opportunity to make $1 million a year doing something you were great at when you were 18 or going to college, what would you have done? And yet in football, three years of college is mandatory...for grown men to play a child's game for a living.
no one is making them put their lives on the line aside from themselves. im sorry, if you play football, and by the age of 18 dont know the effects it may have on your body then you're very naive and lucky to have never been injured playing the sport. we can agree to disagree, i simply wont blame the nfl for a decision grown men made. if their health is that important to them they have the option to stop playing whenever they want.
It's pretty damn simple.
I would recommend that you and lucky re-read the article that started this thread.
The results of medical studies and research, scientific evidence, is starting to mount about the potential seriousness and long term ill effect of these hits. Literally, we could be talking about serious brain damage. The jury is still out on some of this - and it will take years and many studies to determine things with better certainty - but what we are seeing doesn't look good.
This information was simply not available 5 years ago, let alone 10 or 20 years ago when many of these guys started playing as children. We don't know what the NFL or the big medical research institutions (like TOSU) knew, or when they knew it. Using the helmet as a weapon became more prevalent and the players have gotten bigger and faster as the game has evolved over many decades. I remember reading something years ago that the effect on the body from one NFL tackle is akin to an automobile accident. This is all physics; i.e. force equals mass times accelleration.
I agree that we all assume risk and need to take personal responsibility. If you break a bone playing football or blow out your knee, you (or your parents) are obviously responsible. But I disagree that you can lay everything at the doormat of personal responsibility on this issue. What we are now talking about is different and needs to be weighed against dozens of other factors. It is far more complicated.
i read the article. my point is the nfl didnt cause these injuries, it's been years of playing the sport. if these guys want to file suit against the nfl, should they do the same against the ncaa, high school associations and their midget leagues? they have played the sport for years, it is reckless to say that brain damage is only caused from playing in the nfl
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