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I agree, harvin is a better athlete, but just because we dont have a Percy Harvin on our roster, doesnt mean the "Percy Harvin" position just vanishes. Its a very important role in Urbans offense, and i am saying he is the best man for the job. I also said, that when our freshman, who are better athletes get on campus that they will probably take the majority of Hall snaps away from him. Hall has the advantage of being on campus now, and knowing the full playbook now.
Agree with this. +1
I see some are still questioning Hall's production as a back!
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I'm hoping Meyers historical obsession with the Percy Harvin slot role isnt going to diminish the strength he has, and may never have had before, with Hyde and what he can do for an offense.
If Hall reduces Hyde's touches to 10-15 a game rather than 15-20 a game than we may very well begin to see an inability, like he had at Florida, to attract top backs.
Percy havin was a unique talent; instead of trying to recreate that I would rather he focus on matining OSU's ability to have a steady steam of elite RBs.
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Hall is not taking Hydes carries. He has been going to meetings with the RECEIVERS... He is going to be taking the H back carries that everyone has been waiting for. Hyde is clearly our number one guy, Jordan Hall is going to catch a lot of screens, and some sweeps. Hyde is still getting his.
there's only so many touches per game per player; an expansion of one role leads to a reduction of another.
Urban is not trying to create Percy Harvin!!!
The Hybrid position has always been a big part of Urbans offense. Philly Brown played the same position last year. This year, now that Hall is back, Philly can play a position that is severely lacking depth (WR) and Jordan Hall can play the H-back.
Hyde isnt going to lose carries. He will probably have more this year than last. What we will see, is a lot less of Braxton running the ball, and more carries to Hyde.
We will use the H-back the same exact way we used it last season.
jeez guys. Do you really think Urban would set us up for failure?
Braxton will take less carries.
Hyde will get more.
Braxton was hurt almost all last year. Hyde proved him self, and Urban himself has said Hyde will get more carries.
You're being quite hard on this kid... Hall is exactly what you want in the slot. He might not have elite speed, but he's fast enough. Halls main skill is making people miss. He said it himself: "At WR you need to make two people miss as opposed to at RB running through the D line". Nobody is saying that he has to be Percy Harvin. All I expect is for him to be Jordan Hall, and make some big plays from that position.
Instead of Braxton running 20 times he runs 15. I don't get why people can't understand that the coaching staff accomplishes so much by doing this. Number one is that you get an additional threat that spreads the D and gives big play possibility, but also keeps the amount of carries that Brax needs a game down. Which the coaching staff tried last year, and it was painful to watch. This gives an asset in so many ways I can't really believe you guys can't see it!!
Great he now has 2 signature plays in 4 years. Inspires confidence.
Maybe, but it's all that is being discussed this spring. Jordan Hall is this and that. I think his body of work speaks for itself over the past 4 years and that is mediocre. I'll put it this way, neither Alabama nor LSU (two elite teams in the past 6 years) are putting a significant amount of time and energy into a player of his caliber regardless of position or seniority. And as far as comparing him to Harvin, I am not, that is what Meyer keeps referring to his position as and all I am saying is that he is not equipped for that position, it is a position of speed (which he does not have exceptionally) and shiftiness (which he is good at).
I love the fact that Meyer is the anti Tressel with regards as to who plays and the fact that seniority doesn't play a part in his decision, but rather the best player. I will leave the discussion with this, if we are putting hopes in Jordan Hall helping to carry this team to victory, I don't see it happening. He isn't a liability, but let's not overstate his role and what it should be; a role player who can provide 1 or 2 plays a year which can affect the outcome of a game.
Over reaction IMO. I've seen nothing that says Hall is going to ruin Hyde's chances for a good season by taking a majority of the snaps. It's just talk and something Urban is adding into the offense as another option. I have no desire to see Hyde become a shell of himself from overuse for a possible major bowl game. This offense is going to have to offer alternatives to keep the defenses honest. I'm all for it. Hyde will be what he becomes on his own merit, it won't be because of a lack of plays.
All I hear is Hall is playing H back while Hyde is "the" running back. This should help Hyde give the defense another playmaker to worry about and open things up for Hyde.
Jordan Hall carried this offense many games...when the passing game was not clicking which just so happens to have been a lot...there were no other ball carriers aside from either Pryor or Miller who was capable gaining positive yardage then Hall...to call him an "average back" makes me wonder what games you were watching because i typically dont miss any & he has always been a lot more then "average"....he could go between the tackles - take it the corners or catch passes out of the backfield - so he was the all-around back...when Hyde was a freshman and sophomore - he too would be productive but for whatever reason he was under-utilized. I think it is safe to say that the TB position is Hyde's while Hall will be used in some type of a Percy Harvin role which will make things especially difficult on opposing defenses by not knowing who to key in on
It seems you are changing your tune now.
Nobody once said Hall was going to carry us to victory. If anything we will go as far as Braxton and our defense plays. LSU and Bama are not putting efforts into players like him because they run different offenses. We can agree that hall doesn't have great speed, but like you said, he can make people miss. Hall is extremely versatile, and like others said above me, can do everything required to play that position.
I will ask you again: if not Hall, then who?
I also said that he will probably lose snaps to either Dontre Wilson, or Jalin Marshall towards the end of the season. But right now Hall has the advantage of being on campus now and knowing the play book.
Funny how so many now have come back to the power running game, by favoring El Guapo over J Hall....which really isn't the case at its core.
When Urban was hired many were enamored with the promise of a proliphic offense. But in the end, it was Carlos between the tackles, grinding out the tough yards, wearing defenses out, that proved to be the winning equation.
Sure, we had alot of help along the way. But, this isn't about Hall vs Hyde. Rather, it's a way to put two of your absolute best players on the field and MAKE THE OPPOSITION ACCOUNT FOR THEM.
It's a team sport. As proof by Hall coaching and helping his teammates when he was injured and could not play.
Hall deserves the opportunity to be out there. And, in the end, the TEAM will be better for it.
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“He looks small, but he’s a 400-pound bencher. He weighs 200 pounds, he’s quick as a hiccup and he can make you miss in space,” Drayton said. “If you have a poor angle on him, he’s going to break a tackle. He’s a valuable threat and a significant threat to this system.”
An undefeated season last year verges on the miraculous. Ohio State was a total unfinished project, yet the level of talent won out. The progress compared to the previous season was considerable and improvements this year from having already been in the system are evident.
For Hall, working with strength coach Mickey Marotti throughout the offseason provided an even bigger boost – the hamstring issue is a minor bump in the road. An enduring image is the level of dedication that has been rooted in the Buckeyes. Getting better and having the passion to thrive is contagious.
“All the work we put in during the offseason and during the winter we were out here throwing on our own. Everybody’s trying to be great around here,” Hall said. “That’s what Coach Meyer brought here, and that’s what we’re trying to do.”
That much was obvious on the first day of spring practice when a cheerful Hall didn’t hide his enthusiasm. On the field, he gave the entire team an extra dose of energy; off it, he went to Twitter exclaiming his enjoyment for being back with his teammates.
At one point, Hall was the forgotten man. So to inhabit such a momentous position strikes a chord.
“(I’m) real excited,” he said. “Being out last year was hard, so this year I’m ready to go.”
Gathering in the wide receivers meeting room doesn’t mean Hall is exclusively a receiver. He’ll contribute to that unit a majority of the time, but he’s still a running back at heart. Hall said Drayton told him to keep the running back aspect in the back of his mind because he’ll still line up there from time to time.
But Hall is aware of the situation and his teammate Hyde. He ripped off nearly 1,000 yards last season, emerging as the lead back. That type of production silenced any competition Hyde might face from Hall. And that is just fine with the latter.
“I always knew he was good, but actually to get to see him play and do well, that was good for him,” Hall said.
Now Hall can be a helping hand to Hyde and Miller, forcing defenses to value himself, but also fret about the backfield.
“It’s going to be significantly different,” Drayton said.
Braxton is going to get his touches; the QB in every offense a urban has ever put out there from Omar Jacobs thru Tebow (QBs like Brax) always get their touches.
In Urban's offense historically the RB loses touches.
In the case of Hyde that would be a shame.
No. Hall is not playing the same position as Hyde and will actually help him, IMO -- by adding in the threat of the Hybrid position, which will likely be far more impactful for Hall than playing true RB, it will provide further constraint for the power-run game up the gut that is Hyde's specialty. The Hybrid position threat with the addition of the passing game (hopefully improving), will force defenses to not crowd the line of scrimmage as they would like to do. Urban's philosophy is that he would absolutely love to run power all day long, but in order to run power, you have to make sure the opposing defense is trying to play against us straight up, which is not easy. Most defenses will need to bring in more numbers to the middle to stop our arithmetic advantage of running the ball, and to prevent them from doing so, we have to have constraint plays, utilized by Miller, the H-Back (Hall / Marshall / Wilson), and the passing game that forces the opposing defense to defend the whole field, and not just the middle.
I don't get all this bickering about two players who don't play the same position. Besides that this offense is really about Braxton.
Nothing like getting killed with FACTS to get your argument shut down!!
You started out talking shit saying that there were no plays. Dude shows you two with video and this is your comment:
"Great he now has 2 signature plays in 4 years."
I guess that was two more than either you knew about or where ready to give him credit for.
Like I told Bri...you can come out with a position and have your nipples out, however, you aren't entitled to your own facts!
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Since when has Hall ever been a threat?
The only thing Hall has done of significance was the return against scUM. That's it.
He had one nice big play and that's what seems to be what most people remember.
Outside of that he's done squat besides being injured.
He's yet to compete for a full season.
What big numbers?!!
2012 40 attempts for 218 yards and 1 TD. Longest carry was 15 yards.
2011 99 attempts for 405 yards....99! 2 TD's. Longest carry was 25 yards.
2010 37 attempts for 161 yards. Longest carry was 16 yards. 2 Td's.
2009 48 attempts for 248 yards. Longest carry of his career was this year....39 yards. 1 TD.
Sorry.....those numbers aren't even pedestrian. 6 career TD's is zilch for someone who's a supposed home run threat (which he is not) RB. An elite RB should have at least 6 TD's in a single season.
Kid doesn't have it and part of that reason is he's injury prone. College is tough! He's certainly 1000 times better than I could even think of being....but it's a whole other level in college...and some succeed and some don't.
Time to move on. See what the young blood's have.
I like the theory, but historically he's neglected the "power" back in favor of the slot and QB.
Hall has proven very little as a Buckeye to this point though, so whether he is able to provide another element remains to be seen.
As such, I'd prefer they concentrate on what works; and that's steady diet of Hyde
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